Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ

Children playing on a computer unsupervised has to have rules and boundaries (and physical backups). No, I'm not going to teach children, who are not even in their teens, to download or install anything, ever, unless I want them to learn about ransomware specifically.

ANY DAY NOW

We pay for subs to damn near every streaming service. I am constantly having to send them the passwords or even reset the passwords(to the same password), so they can login devices they've logged on a hundred times.

I'm not sure. I don't plan on having kids, so this is a purely theoretical question that I won't have to answer in practice, but I think I probably would, at least to some degree.

I had a pretty iconically millennial childhood when it comes to tech; I remember my mum being on the phone to the internet people and asked "he's offering me an unlimited packaged for [money] extra. Is that good, do we need that?", to which my brother and and I vigorously nodded. We were young enough we didn't know shit, but unlimited sounded good and we weren't paying the bills. My mum probably realised we didn't know what unlimited Vs metered internet meant in practice, and opted for unlimited as the safe option, because if she felt the need to ask her children for advice, she wouldn't be great at managing a metred connection. That's the context in which I grew up and is why I'm as techy as I am today.

I learned the hard way, and whilst I don't think that's necessarily the best way to learn, I don't know how one might teach people how to recognise which "download" button to press, and when a dodgy looking site is actually dodgy. It's like internet street smarts, but what that means has changed since I was a kid, and I don't necessarily know how I'd teach that beyond the basics, like installing adblockers and other common sense things.

im not saying my parents introduced me to piracy, but we did have a lot of downloaded movies "from a friend"

Nobody taught me, so I'm not teaching anyone. Nobody banned me from doing it tho, so there's my answer. Piracy is a consequence of freedom, among other things.

I won't have kids. I absolutely have taught other people's kids though.

If I teach them, they'll find it boring. Better to be a role model and answer questions if they have them.

Sure. To prepare someone to become a responsible adult, they need information. Learn things good and bad. Understand especially WHY people do things and consequences of actions.

I mean if you exclude half the truth, your kids will not learn how to judge things and make decisions.

And things not being etically 100% correct is not a reason to hide them altogether. I mean my mom also reads murder mystery stories and murder is not okay... I think beginning with a certain age it is important to learn also about ambiguous stuff. It's part of life.

That doesn't mean I'd have to teach them myself. But I'd talk to them and make sure they learned the right things.

While I don't plan on being a parent, I will say that I did learn a good bit about piracy from my dad when I was younger, which kept me away from obviously shady things and now that I'm older I pretty much have a routine in place for my stuff whereas he doesn't even use a computer anymore. I think it's worth it really.

Not a parent yet, so take this with a big grain of salt.

But if I were to talk about piracy from a moral standpoint, I would first talk about stealing. Yes, we all know it's not the same, and it isn't, but there will certainly be someone who says it is, and it's better to clear that out. Besides, there are some parallels.

1. Stealing is reprehensible, but extremely so when you steal for someone who much needs it himself. Shoplifting is bad and can lead to serious consequences. Stealing money from a poor person is extremely bad and can't be justified.
2. Stealing is when you take something and the owner doesn't have it anymore. Piracy ain't that.

Then a bit on moral and legal grounds of piracy:

1. While piracy isn't stealing, piracy does decrease profits of the rightful owner. When you pirate from someone who does not profit much off something, it's same as stealing from poor man. Piracy is impactful, and it's important to remember.
2. Piracy may lead to legal consequences, which is why one shouldn't normally pirate stuff regardless of morality. But if the conditions of rightful ownership (cost, regional or use restrictions etc.) are inadequate, there exists such a way.

And in any case, I think the later you tell your kids about "illegal doesn't mean bad" the better. Could save a lot of trouble IMO.

I will teach anyone who will listen.

I haven't taught my kids. . .yet.

However, they know that if they can't find something they want to watch, they just have to ask me and I'll get it from them. . .and that (sarcastically) "daddy is just borrowing it from the internet" so I think know what's going on.

one time a student pirated some expensive CAD software and learned it, that student went on to become the purchasing agent for a company and guess what software the company purchased?

the software that was learned already.

$100 student lisc was pirated and that pirate purchased 10 license at $5k per.

No. I plan on treating it as other adult things. "Oh, you got into this? Well, here is how you protect yourself. "

Computer literacy wise? I hope my daughter gets the curiosity into it. Other things as well. More you know and understand, the better.

Absolutely. My entire network is behind a VPN, so they can't fuck up. Windows is banned in my household, so I'm not worried about malware. I'm not paying 20 bucks a month for limited access to the ever shrinking Netflix library, which I can't even use behind a VPN or share with other people. Piracy is the only way forward.

My mom introduced me to Napster. So at this point, it would be a family tradition.

Adblockers? Absolutely! The good adblockers (ublock origin with more lists enabled) also help to thwart trackers.

And by your example, yes, even piracy, not just because I agree with doing it, but because if they will be going to do that too, they could as well do it safely, to the extent it's possible.

Interestingly, as I read your post, a lot of topics align already with what I deem even more important: privacy. It seems it's not only the words that are similar.

You're asking this in a piracy community, so you'll obviously get a certain kind of answer. Not saying you should or shouldn't, just be aware of the bias of where you're asking this question.

Doesn't sound like an easy task, perhaps a good start would be teaching them how to tie knots and learn wind direction. Once they are old enough to travel book a vacation to somalia and introduce them to the place, that's where most of piracy is going on these days

Absolutely. If I had any

my mom taught me how to pirate almost 20 years ago

It's not as though the existence and mechanisms of piracy are a coveted secret. There's a decent chance that they'll learn about and attempt it independently, and the method they learn about online might expose them to greater risk than if they did it with more consideration.

On that basis, I think that knowledge transfer is at worst harm reduction. If it's immoral, which I don't believe it is, then at the very least your intervention could prevent them from being preyed upon by some copyright troll company when they do it despite your silence or protestations.

Until their frontal lobe fully develops I will do it for them.

Of course, if I didn't they might end up using a public tracker to download torrents

How to install adblockers, how to detect fake download sites that give you computer aids? Show them how to use a VPN and choosing the right one (a true pirate must always choose a VPN with port forwarding capabilities, so you can still seed) I feel like this is all valuable info we all learned as pirates the hard way, and valuable information to pass on to our kids.

Absolutely, I would say whether you're teaching piracy or not, those are essential things that everyone online must know about; it would be unethical to allow your kids to go online without that protection.

Teaching kids good, healthy anticapitalist values is important. It's also good to teach them some basic computing and privacy skills, because they're not going to get that anywhere else. They're going to be under lot of social peer pressure to have the latest phones and being connected on social media, consuming information from algorithms.They need to understand how to minimize the harm from Meta and the big tech.

Same applies to the copyright industry and their practices (along with corps who are heavily anti-repair like Apple) - they need to understand the exploitation model of capitalism and lobbying - from there, let them make their own choices.

Piracy is a great example of a topic where legality and morality aren't the same.

Those kinds of topics are incredibly valuable teaching moments for children.

I would teach them when they are mature enough. Help them understand why some people think it is wrong, when/why you think it is acceptable, and how to do it safely.

You can teach them the difference between actual theft and copying. Explain how piracy has benefited humanity as a whole, explain why knowledge and cultural experiences shouldn't be gate kept by mega-corps from underprivileged people.

There are so many valuable lessons that you as parents could pass on to your kids through the topic of piracy.

And as every major platform enshitifies and information of all kinds gets locked behind more paywalls, piracy will become a more and more important skill to have.