And how much of a cut would you be taking Phil?
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Yeah, well I want game pass on Steam and Linux, but we can't get everything we want, Phil.
I think it's gonna get there very soon. Steam on Xbox, and also Xbox on steam deck.
The only issue with the latter is Valve is using proton translation to bypass windows and make their own thing, it's a tremendously grey area that Microsoft has said NOTHING about, only because Steam is legit and game sale money go to publishers.
Imagine if Yuzu was legit and game sales still went to nintendo or 3rd parties, the tech behind proton and yuzu nce aren't dissimilar!
Proton should be called PINE instead because PINE Is Not an Emulator.
How is Valve using Proton a grey area?
I'm guessing that they don't mean a legally grey area. I think they probably mean it's a grey area for Microsoft because Proton helps people get around needing Windows to play games made for Windows and Microsoft has an interest in keeping people on their OS.
Might as well allow me to install a other OS at this point
Playstation let you do that for a while.
I remember Linux for PlayStation 2 back in the days.
The Series X would make a great Steambox
Indeed. I'll definitely consider buying one if I can turn it into a Steam box.
my steam library on my xbox, yes please 🙏
Can Win32 programs run on the xbox? I know there's Edge, but iirc, that's packaged in some unique way.
I thought all xboxes were x86 hardware running some variant of windows under the hood?
Edit:
"The Xbox system software is the operating system developed exclusively for Microsoft's Xbox home video game consoles.[1] Across the four generations of Xbox consoles, the software has been based on a version of Microsoft Windows"
"Though initial iterations of the software for the original Xbox and Xbox 360 were based on heavily modified versions of Windows, the newer consoles feature operating systems that are highly compatible with Microsoft's desktop operating systems, allowing for shared applications and ease-of-development between personal computers and the Xbox line. "
I'm pretty sure the shared applications it's referring to there are UWP apps, which use a different set of APIs to traditional Win32 apps that are only available on full Windows versions. I looked into how Edge works a bit more, and it sounds like Microsoft made a special translation layer to take Edge's Win32 API calls and turn them into UWP ones. I guess games would be possible to run like this too?
Just slap proton on there
Damn that'd go hard for Itch.io
Fun fact: Microsoft can already do that: Just ship a Windows ~~container~~ VM on Xbox.
Edit: Apparently "container" is the wrong term.
Have you ever tried to setup a Windows container let alone one on an Xbox? Even Microsoft knows windows containers are fucking shit, just look at azure Linux, it's the entire reason for it's existence
Even Microsoft knows windows containers are fucking shit
The Xbox System Software contains a heavily modified Hyper-V hypervisor (known as NanoVisor) as its host OS and two partitions. One of the partitions, the "Exclusive" partition is a custom virtual machine (VM) for games; the other partition, the "Shared" partition is a custom VM for running multiple apps including the OS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software#System
Xbox already runs two VMs. Just throw in a third with real Windows.
A VM and a container are two completely different pieces of technology...
A VM and a container are two completely different pieces of technology…
I'm sorry I mixed up the terminology. I was sure the point of "Microsoft can ship Windows with Xbox" came across no matter what.
No worries, it's an understandable mistake.
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