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Is it the other players, because they beat you?

Is it you, because you chose to play the game?

Is it the game manufacturer?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

my team, duh.. It's never my fault. Nope, never. Never once.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Its an interesting question. It depends how proficient you are in a specific game. In the higher skills you generally will lose because of your own mistakes, so you've beat yourself essentially. In the lower skills its far more random. Maybe the manufacturer does have the biggest impact in those cases regardless of who wins or loses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

I have not been defeated, I have been assisted. I lose nothing and gain valuable experience. I grow and challenge my opponent again, helping them to grow as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Me myself and I... Nah i'm kidding the other team was probably cheating /s

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

There was too much lag!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Me. I suck at aiming.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Everyone else on my team but me

/woomi

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

You, for being such a whiny little bitch of a sore loser.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me for starting the game. Losing is a part of life. We gotta live before we die.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I was thinking of this as a model of karma.

Simply put, you reap what you sow.

More complexly put, you choose your reality and a reality has various angles. So if you choose a reality (a videogame for example) where people fight, sometimes you will win and other times you will lose.

The reality of biology implies eating and being eaten. The reality of capitalism implies wealth and poverty. The reality of justice implies punishing and being punished. Etc

Or something like that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

If I am pubbing then teams are rando and often the mix of team players is more important than any one player’s individual skill.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Is that important? Why?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My parents, for bringing a loser into this world

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've been told I should appreciate my parents for the non consensual wage slavery they chose for me. All to pay crippling living expenses that escalate despite the wealth of knowledge humanity has accumulated and the never before seen technological progression

Thanks mom and dad. Consider shooting up drugs for your hit of feel good brain chemicals next life and leave me out of it.

The vasectomy was the best thing i ever did for my unborn children. This pain of existence will end with me. Rest easy kids, you will not suffer these fools. You will not suffer this way of life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Assuming your kids would be just as miserable as you is absurd.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

The person who authored the cheat(s) the other person is using. Because clearly, if I lost they must be cheating. /s

For many games, I'd argue that you are to blame for your loss. Assuming the game is based purely on skill, then your ability to execute said skills is the only factor which matters. Consider something like Chess, where the game is solved and one's ability to win is really down to your ability to memorize board positions and recognize the optimal move. If you lose, it's likely because you failed to pick the optimal path.

This is mitigated, to a greater or lesser extent in games where chance plays some role. It's entirely possible to chose an optimal path, but have RNGesus decide that you get to lose today. Some games provide some ability to manage the risks created by randomness, but you often have some reliance on "luck". Obviously, the more luck dependent a game is, the less control you have over winning/losing.

And then there is the issue of other players who can affect the outcome. If you play a game where there are more than two players, the other players may be able to change the course of the game enough that, no matter how well optimized your choices, you cannot win. This leads to the classic "kingmaker" problem in board games. It may be that someone who is themselves unable to win is in a position to directly effect the outcome of the game in such a way as to make another player win or lose. So, maybe you played a very good game, but the kingmaker decides that you lose.

Ultimately, the answer to the original question is, "it depends". And there are a lot of factors one must look at to come to an answer. And that answer is unlikely to be whole one thing or the other.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Why do you have to reduce it to one? Isn't it simply all at the same time to varying degrees?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Well "choosing to play the game" is pretty all-encompassing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It's me because my reflexes are those of a sausage!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Did you have fun? Nobody lost.

Did you play Monopoly? Everybody lost.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You cannot change the game, you cannot change others. The only one you can change is yourself, and thus the only time blame can be profitable is when pointed inward. Just remember: sometimes the mistake is in playing the game at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It's an empowering philosophy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

It's my teammates who don't know how to fucking play

(Fucking Pokemon Unite, I hate you so much)