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Summary:


Close allies of President Trump are asking a judge to give the White House control over much of the federal court system.

In a little-noticed lawsuit filed last week, the America First Legal Foundation sued Chief Justice John Roberts and the head of the Administrative Office of U.S. Courts.

The case ostensibly proceeds as a FOIA lawsuit, with the Trump-aligned group seeking access to judiciary records. But, in doing so, it asks the courts to cede massive power to the White House: the bodies that make court policy and manage the judiciary’s day-to-day operations should be considered independent agencies of the executive branch, the suit argues, giving the President, under the conservative legal movement’s theories, the power to appoint and dismiss people in key roles.

Multiple legal scholars and attorneys TPM spoke with reacted to the suit with a mixture of dismay, disdain and laughter. Though the core legal claim is invalid, they said, the suit seems to be a part of the fight that the administration launched and has continued to escalate against the courts over the past several months: ignoring a Supreme Court order to facilitate the return of a wrongly removed Salvadoran man, providing minimal notice to people subject to the Alien Enemies Act, flaunting an aggressive criminal case against a state court judge.

The executive branch has tried to encroach on the power of the judiciary in other ways too, prompting a degree of consternation and alarm unusual for the normally-staid Administrative Office of U.S. Courts. As TPM has documented, DOGE has already caused disorder at the courts and sent out mass emails to judges and other judiciary employees demanding a list of their recent accomplishments. Per one recent report in the New York Times, federal judges have expressed concern that Trump could direct the U.S. Marshals Service — an executive branch agency tasked with protecting judges and carrying out court orders — to withdraw protection.

These are all facets of an escalating campaign to erode the independence of the judiciary, experts told TPM. The lawsuit demonstrates another prong of it: close allies of the president are effectively asking the courts to rule that they should be managed by the White House.

“It’s like using an invalid legal claim to taunt the judiciary,” Anne Joseph O’Connell, a professor at Stanford University Law School, told TPM.

“To the extent this lawsuit has any value other than clickbait, maybe the underlying message is, we will let our imaginations run wild,” Peter M. Shane, a constitutional law scholar at NYU Law School, told TPM. “The Trump administration and the MAGA community will let our imaginations run wild in our attempts to figure out ways to make the life of the judiciary miserable, to the extent you push back against Trump.”


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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Why taunt the judiciary? That seems like a losing strategy for everyone

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Traitors should be put in front of a firing squad.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you throw enough shit, some of it will stick.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that also makes everything rather shitty.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

makes everything rather shitty

^^^ We are here. ^^^

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The USA is going down the same path as Venezuela at this point. Probably time to leave the USA if you can.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck that, man. Stay and fight.

Have a passport (definitely apply for one today if you do not), have a plan, if shit really goes sideways then it's every person for themselves and their family. But as hard as it might seem if you've grown up in a time of stability, we've been through way worse than this bullshit in this country, and we've usually come out of it stronger and wiser.

“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

we've been through way worse than this bullshit in this country, and we've usually come out of it stronger and wiser.

I've been wondering about that myself. What events are you specifically pointing toward? I think the Great Depression and immediate aftermath are pretty close cousins to our current level of public disinterest and economic risk, and the 1890s-1910s are pretty comparable to the current level of deregulation and regulatory capture, and the run-up to the first World War is pretty similar to our risk of armed conflict, and the Civil War isn't too far off of our current level of political division...but have we ever had all of those things at once, plus a constitutional crisis?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People were getting born into slavery, live their whole lives working in the fields not knowing how to read, and there was a massive political and paramilitary fight over whether that was going to continue and how and where, which presaged the explicit military fight the whole country had about it.

Then we had the civil war.

Then we had the labor movement, people getting born basically into slavery again, and having paramilitary battles to fight for their right to simply live and exist and have some kind of voice in how their daily life was organized, and have some life outside of their slavery existence, instead of living on corporate fiefdoms obeying the owner of their company like a king.

Then we had segregation, poll taxes and voter literacy tests, police brutality, water cannons and tear gas and police dogs and lynching. When people talked about making lynching illegal it was a huge debate. Without lynching, what would we even do? To keep order?

Somehow, from that, we made it to today. People today can expect that they can vote, they can have newspapers or web sites that say whatever they want, they can be free of police public or private just coming around and fucking up their shit because they irritated someone powerful. (That last one is debatable in the modern day, but for 99.9% of people I would say that most of what I just said is still true.) But none of that happened because "constitution" or because "America."

It happened because people fought and died to make it happen. Maybe it's useful that there was a piece of paper somewhere that was giving them something to hope for when they wanted to give up, give an end goal in mind and remind them why it was important. They had something to talk about to other people about why they were doing it. But "the country" didn't do shit to help them in that fight. They just had to go and do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not at all trying to argue that things now are worse in general, for everyone than they've been during those time periods. I'm not even saying that it's as bad as it could possibly be across every metric. I'm just wondering if we've ever had this cyclone of so many things all compounding at once. Even the stuff that you mentioned, each of which was awful, was at least more or less sequential. The Civil War didn't happen during the Gilded Age, and the Great Depression wasn't concurrent with the runup to World War I. 2025 feels like the Great Depression + the Gilded Age + the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand + the Civil War + segregation + Asian-American internment camps, but instead of happening over the course of a hundred years, we're packing it all in to Thursday.

It happened because people fought and died to make it happen.

Yeah, but then we're right back to the public disinterest and economic risk, both of which make large-scale collective action a very difficult prospect (by design).

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not trying to be a fatalist here. I'm trying to calibrate for the extreme level of danger that we're facing, from multiple corners, all at once.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

the Great Depression + the Gilded Age + the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand + the Civil War + segregation + Asian-American internment camps, but instead of happening over the course of a hundred years, we’re packing it all in to Thursday.

You forgot that on top of all that, the people on top have in their possession an integrated surveillance state superweapon the likes of which has never really been seen before.

How effective they'll be able to make it, in service of destroying anyone who opposes them politically, remains to be seen, but people who've managed to build pale imitations of it have in the past been able to accomplish terrifying things, and they got this version all for free and all complete, someone else having built it for them.

I definitely wasn't saying it will be a straightforward struggle or a fun time.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Roberts: The Framers would've absolutely hated this. Buuuuuut they didn't write it down so 'Approved'!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I had a time machine, I'd probably go back, infiltrate the founding fathers, and write that all politicians have to become furries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Id add in no body in the role of the government is allowed to lie in their duties as a public servant.

Edit: but furries work too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Maybe if John Roberts gives Trump MORE Legal Freedom he WONT Punish him!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Seems legit

/s

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago

What's scary is that there's a nonzero chance that this actually works.