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All of these polls are completely useless. Trump has a 30-40% base of supporters. So naturally, all polls about Trump will show a majority against him.
Unfortunately, 30-40% is more than enough.
Cause another 50%+ will never resist in any way, and will still plead "this must be a mistake" when the brownshirts break down their door, take their life savings, and order their daughter to undress in front of them.
30% support is what the Nazis in Germany had, with 10% actual Nazi party members.
WHAT!?!?! The guy that said he would be a dictator on day one is a dictator on day one!?!?! Who could have seen this coming!?!?!
FTA:
For example, most Americans (61%) disagree that the federal government should place immigrants who are in the country illegally in internment camps guarded by the U.S. military until they can be deported.
Only 61%? Have I lost my fucking mind? This feels unbelievable to read.
Consider that surveys also indicate that 30-40% of the US are essentially “Trump No Matter What” people. Maybe some variation depending on the issue.
So 60% isn’t too far off the mark for people not supporting everything trump does.
E: 48.3% of registered voters voted for Harris. Maybe if that extra ~12% of Americans that are unhappy about Trump had gotten off their asses and voted we might be complaining about a crappy Neo-Liberal instead of a straight up fascist takeover.
For any election anywhere, approximately 35% are going to be batshit. 61% is super close to "everyone who isn't batshit" category. That's an amazing election number.
That fact is going to haunt me in the late hours of the day. I didn't think that the second standard deviation of political views equated to "absolutely batshit insane".
It's sort of the nice way to put dumb, being conned, ignorant, racist and shitty.
If that’s true, sounds like NOW is the time to ACT since we aren’t picking up anyone else. Right?
I think the biggest thing I learned this last election is just how much of the country are HUGE pieces of shit. I thought there were maybe 15-20% that were on board with this Nazi shit. It's well over double that.
We fucked up during Reconstruction, and we fucked up again after WWII. Every single Confederate/Nazi should've been disposed of and never allowed to have any influence whatsoever. Instead the cancer has metastasized to every single organ in the body.
Yeah, unfortunately it’s about 1/3 of the country
We have to learn our lesson and not repeat it no matter how many crocodile tears are pleas to Civility and mercy there are, even if they come from liberals. Not going far enough is a bigger risk than going too far
Right? Like I thought everyone agreed the Japanese internment camps was a dark spot on our history.
Guess it's just because we like the Japanese now?
Yeah. I'm in Merced, CA, which was one of the initial collection points for detained Japanese Americans before they were put in the internment camps. We have a little memorial at the fair grounds, which is where they were collected up at. I've always believed that people 50, 100, 200, and 2000 years ago really aren't fundamentally different than people today, and anyone today who professes to be disgusted by Jim Crow but still embraces modern forms of oppression would have embraced Jim Crow back then. We're seeing that now. These folks, without even a second thought, will eagerly embrace Hispanic internment camps while denouncing the Japanese internment camps as something that never should have happened, and dismiss any semblance with a thought terminating "but this is different."
This is really well said. Throughout history, you can reliably find people on both sides of moral and humanitarian issues like this. There were Roman elite who spoke out against slavery in antiquity, there were Brits who mocked the American Colonies for owning slaves while founding a country based on freedom, there have always been men who believed in equal treatment and rights for women. Right and wrong is usually pretty clear, and in general regular people throughout the ages have been able to recognize which is which. Our values haven’t changed much, but our systems of power and accountability have.
That said, I also believe a good amount of the right wing backlash against the internment camps was performative. Because up until relatively recently, many racists themselves understood that their beliefs were terrible, so they at least tried to hide their true feelings and spoke out against obvious atrocities like this in public. But that was only so they could be accepted by the wider culture, and so they could continue to participate in left-coded spaces. They don’t need to hide how awful they are anymore because the president is leading by example.
I thought everyone agreed the Japanese internment camps was a dark spot on our history.
They did, but a frightening percentage of the population were bothered that it didn't go far enough.
Edit: in other words, vastly different reasons why some thought it was a dark spot.
Those are some bleak fucking numbers
@Absaroka Problem is most voting americans seem to be to dumb to spot it when there still is a choice.
Take the MAGA cult out of the poll and it's more like high 60s to low 70s.
We need to socially shun MAGAs. No positions of leadership for them anymore
So roughly 70% of sane Americans recognize we’re living under a dictator and yet we do hardly anything in revolt. Do they not realize that by the time the gas chambers are on our soil it’ll be too late?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Off_protests
I disagree that there’s no one doing anything. The largest protest in US history happened. And two motherfuckers tried to get him got. I obviously don’t endorse violence but it’s an action.
It would be more accurate to say that not enough is being done, and we should try and figure out why it is and how to fix it
Yeah the protests is why I said “hardly anything” as opposed to nothing, because while they ARE happening I’m a bit more results driven and have yet to see any.
Do they not realize that by the time the gas chambers are on our soil it’ll be too late?
"Not all Americans." Not yet enough Americans, of course, but there are dozens of us. DOZENS!
That seems low to me.
There's the ostrich/head in the sand types who stay oblivious on purpose.
There's also people that just assume it's more of the usual WEE-WOO-WEE-WOO FOX NEWS ALERT OBAMA WORE A TAN SUIT AND USED TO SMOKE, IS HE THE ANTI-CHRIST?! WEE-WOO-WEE-WOO MITT ROMNEY SAID HE HAS BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN* stuff and don't pay any mind. We're some of the most heavily propagandized people on earth, and some folks choose to save their sanity by just ignoring it. Trump's bullshit has actually been bad enough to burst the bubble for a few of these people.
*Binders full of women was legitimately just fucking funny. I actually laughed when I heard the debate live on the radio. For proof that Romney is a lizard person, you have to look at how he strapped the family dog to the roof of their car to go on vacation.
Romney did WHAT??
Oh, yeah, you didn't know about that? Romney was even the one who spilled the beans, he was telling a fun and completely normal human story about how he took his family on a road trip, and the dog, being strapped to the roof, got so freaked out that it had diarrhea all over the roof of the car and he had to go into a car wash and rinse the car off. I don't remember if he said he took the dog off to wash the car, but one can hope that he at least managed to emulate that level of human behavioral subroutines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCIEbLMaQg
So strange to see things making fun of the Republicans pre-Trump. The reality is far, far worse than the way even the most scathing mockery depicted them.
Yeah, I definitely have some left leaning friends that are like this. Whenever I bring it up they are like "Nah, it's not that bad. They wouldn't actually do any of that."
that's why i've been documenting the horrors i can find evidence of in my town. too many white liberals think because nothing bad has happened to them means that nothing bad could be happening. their peaceful homogonized neighborhoods are pretty evenly split between white liberals and white conservatives, and they get along fine with the conservatives and assume that's how the cons treat everyone.
this is part of how the overton window shifts rightward. the more isolated someone is, the easier they are to manipulate. these isolated white liberals lack diversity of perspective but value open mindedness as a virtue. the only people they encounter who disagree with them look like them, talk like them, and eat like them. the only difference is they don't value open mindedness. they want to maintain a community of only people who look like them, talk like them, and eat like them.
resisting fascism starts at home. it starts by choosing to inherit the stories of our past and speak of this truth to others. coalition building is a process of both finding people you can trust and a process of notifying people that their one PoV isn't the only way to see the world and that they might have work to do