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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I wish this was our problem. Of course, there should be no shame in living with your parents. But it should be out of free will, and here in the Netherlands sadly that isn't the case for many. Our housing market simply doesn't offer affordable housing options. For many young people the only option is a rental apartment that will cost you so much, that if you can afford it at all, you can forget about ever saving any money. Which means that you'll effectively be stuck in this situation forever. Which is an option to consider, but meanwhile those who can afford to buy a house, because of rich parents or whatnot, they have a far better deal, often even paying less on a monthly basis, while at the same time their house increases in value. It's a major dividing factor in our society, separating the rich from the poor. Of course staying home is another realistic option to consider, and more and more people make this choice, but only for lack of a better option. The real tragedy is of course when staying at home is also not a realistic option. A fucked-up housing market makes the vulnerable all the more vulnerable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Shame my house would be pretty crowded in that situation. Although those pod bunk beds look fucking sweet and could work.

It's certainly cheaper to get the pod bunkbed that will make any child scream with excitement than it is to buy a larger house which will leave them bored while all their stuff is moved and likely move them away from their friends.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Abolish rent, abolish ext family living.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Unfortunately I can't live with my parents. I probably won't have kids, but if I do, I doubt they could afford to live anywhere else. Not unless I leave the US. It's rough here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Conservative family values...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

Me, my pregnant wife, my retired dad and my working brother all live in one house. Belgium

Can we afford to live in 3 houses? Yes.

Is it necessary? No.

The house is paid off. One house is being heated, ...

Me and my wife save up about 2500 euros per month. My brother saves up even more because he's spending literally nothing. He saves up his entire paycheck.

Building generational wealth is pretty fun. My parents worked for us. Me and my wife work for our kid. I got basically a house as inheritance in a great economy. Our kid will have a house + investment portfolio (Stoxx 600, gold/silver, ...)

Our biggest "waste" of money is traveling. I don't even have a car, just using my taxes to have a long tail e bike that does the same shit.

We have 2 cars on the property, they barely are used. Literally one is being used to drive to train station. The other one for the grocery store within 2 km. It's good that one of those two is a company car, otherwise gigantic waste of money.

Our household (my wife works 14 hours per week ATM). Earns a net income of: 9300 euros.

Include capital gains of like 4%. It becomes a total of 13300 euros net "income" per month. An e bike valued 9,5k euros. An electric car.

All because we are mentally stable enough to live under one roof.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago

Asian families: what do you mean "leave"?

Seriously, it's not a bad thing to stay until you can afford to leave.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm in the party that thinks if you have a full-time job you should be able to afford a home

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Both can be true, we can put pressure on all fronts

Also homes could be way cheaper if zoning were fixed, density were legalized, and property taxes were retooled into a land tax

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

I dunno about America, but Australia has the problems you listed, but we also have problems with tax incentives to investing in housing rather than investing elsewhere, which also helps push up property prices by increasing demand without affecting supply.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

Indirectly, maybe.

I also think it’s mostly just shitty parents, possibly who also had shitty parents, that forced the “hard knock life” on kids to make them “tough” and self reliant. Assuming they weren’t just regular old being abusive in some form. Being poor can also drive people out, if someone isn’t earning money in an already economically tight situation it can create a lot of friction.

Americans have a kinda messed up family life. This “self reliance” that separates the family unit and attempts to make it a standalone entity against everyone else really doesn’t reflect the way a lot of the rest of the world operates with closer family and community ties. Even not too long ago America was a lot different in that fashion. Probably WW2 and the growth that followed were the main shift.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago

Depends on your family.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

YES thank you, finally somebody says it. I couldn't muster the motivation to make this exact thought into a post yet even though the idea has been going through my head for a long time.

Of course, if every person uses their own house, you need lots of houses which "stimulates the economy", i.e. it shifts wealth from the pockets of the workers into the pockets of the construction companies, up from where it goes partially to the owner's pockets, partially to the wages. Yet with every iteration of the game the owners grab a bigger and bigger piece of the wealth, until it is all accumulated uphill. Consider:

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

It's a bit thick on the wages and thin on shareholders but the concept is right

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

i love my family! the love however is at odds with knowing what its like to live in the same house as my family

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Would girls still want me if I said I lived with my parents as a 30 year old grown ass man that can't afford his own place?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Change the story and say they live with you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

If they were of similar age and economic background, then yea it should not be a problem. And there are also plenty of people outside of that age range and background that would still want you. Thought probably not many who would if that was your opener.

Again, trying to uplift my fellow person, not sure how to say this without sounding like a sjw or something. But if you are 30, then "girls" needs to dropped. Women.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I guess a part of the problem is the stigma:

People have been told that whoever still lives with their parents is a loser, and that's the actual reason why it repells girls.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

My son id 15 and ngl im excited for the day he moves out BUT only from a “kid launches” perspective.

If homie finds his legs and still lives at home until he finds a partner thats cool.

If he never finds his legs … fuck.

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