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I have been using Grist a lot and it has been working quite well. I don't like Python that much, but it's a lot better than the functions in Excell.
I've done things in excel that are an abomination in the eyes of the divine.
I have absolutely 0 regret.
Generate localization strings in all requested languages with the "translate" macro without proof checking because you don't speak Finnish or Japanese?
Worse - pulling data from a web page, then using the power of pure jank to parse this input, and then invoking a sheet of reference string builders to construct formulae and execute them using too damn many @indirects nested into vlookups before finally adding in date aware data reveals, because no excel abomination is complete without trying to parse dates.
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You have January 1, 1970 regret?
Or false regret, either or.
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"It's not as good as making games in as Unity or Unreal but I can manage."
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It depends on how long you use it:
Year 1: Ok, this is kinda cool, but why does it keep fucking breaking?
Year 2: How is it still fucking breaking?
Year 3: I just don't fucking care why it keeps breaking. I think I hate this program.
Year 4: I hate this program
Year 5: Let the hate flow through you, consume you. Feel the dark side flowing through your fingertips. Yes. Good. Why is it breaking? It's the end users. Yes... they've been plotting against you from the beginning - hiding columns, erasing formulas and even...
merging cells
Que heavy breathing through a respirator.
Year 6: It's a board meeting. They ask you if you can average all the moving averages of average sales per month and provide an exponential trendline to forecast growth on five million rows of data.
You say "sure, boss, I can knock that for you in Excel in about an hour or two."
Your team leader interjects "I believe what he was trying to say was we'll use Tableau and it will take about a month."
You turn to him with a steely glare.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Year 7: Your team leader is gone after you pointed out he fucked up one of your sheets that run the business by merging a cell. All data flows through you and the holy spreadsheet, and the board is terrified of firing you because no one knows how your sheets work but you and their entire inventory system would collapse if you leave.
But then the inevitable happens. Dissension in the ranks. The juniors talk of python, R, Tableau, Power BI - anything to release your dark hold upon the holy data. You could crush them all with a xlookup chain faster than they can type a SELECT statement. The Rebellion is coming, but you're ready. You've discovered the Data Model, capable of building a relational database behind the hidden moons of Power Pivot, parsing tens of millions of rows - and your Death Star is almost complete.
You're ready to unleash your dark fury when the fucking spreadsheet breaks again.
Year 8: New company. They ask if you know Excel. You just start cackling with a addictive gleam in your eye as tears start streaming down your face.
They hire you on the spot.
All they use is Excel. And Access.
You think, ok, this is kinda cool, but why does it keep fucking breaking?
Why isn't that "Merge Cells" button hidden behind 3 levels of menus up to this day?
Year 7: Your team leader is gone after you pointed out he fucked up one of your sheets that run the business by merging a cell.
I am laughing about how after 7 years nobody has locked the sheets that run the business to avoid this specific thing.
Or maybe they were kocked and the team leader unlocked it so they could break it without saving a backup.
The ending was great. Nice payoff.
We need a /c/MuseumOfLemmy to preserve this treasure in so that it may be cherished and studied by our children and our children’s children and many generations beyond.
This is art
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ooh thats me and databases.
What if I like it? Is there something wrong with me?
You will understand in time, young padawan...
You are probably using it for its intended purpose, which it Excels at.
Not at all. You just haven't gotten deep enough into the beast to see the horror.
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I'd agree with that.
The Libre Office Suite is better, and Free Open Source Software (FOSS).
No PowerQuery? No thank you.
It’s been a while since I’ve used it, how good is it compared to office and Google sheets now?
Similar but with an interface that refuses to do anything new for 20 years.
I don’t know if that’s good or bad
The only two innovations in spreadsheets in 20 years that I’ve liked are connecting them to databases directly (which still sucks) and being able to collaboratively edit them.
Some of it is just familiarity but I found Google sheets to be a breath of fresh air and still find Excel just painful.
Although Google has really gotten pretty cluttered lately as they add features and slap them in whatever menu they pick at random.
100%.
what the hell is going on with “Tables” vs filter views vs slices vs named ranges.
That should all be one properly thought out feature. And tables are so fragile. Nobody knows how to use filters because they default to global. The row groupings feature is entirely broken and forgotten about… they recently updated the filter views UI to be fragile all e s as f throw error messages about whether you’ve saved the change or not (nobody ever cared about this, we’re just trying to filter without breaking the sheet)
The little pills you get for validated entries are nice though, but even that has like 3 different versions and ways to do it.
Then there’s things like checkboxes, I know there’s an option for it somewhere, but I have never once found the menu it lives in.
Oh and the paste style menu item that tells you the shortcut but doesn’t copy stole for you. That is the most written by an engineer feature I’ve ever seen. “You’re doing it wrong, do it my way now or don’t do it all”.
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Libreoffice calc is pretty hurrendous tbh
It's ok if you use it for simple things. Simple arithmetic
Yeah, I prefer Grist
"Excel" 365 🤮