Nolan has lost the plot and has become one of those directors who loves the smell of his own farts. Can't hear my shitty audio? That's your fault! You didn't understand my ridiculous plot? That's your fault! Etc.
this post was submitted on 09 Mar 2024
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Tenet in nutshell, there is a timeline, like normal.
It's point A in time, you perceive 30 seconds ellapsing, not it's A + 30 seconds in time, that's how things work.
Now if you go through that Inverting machine.
It's point A in do stuff for 30 seconds.
Now it's A - 30 seconds on the timeline.
There you go, Tenet explained.
Personally, I did understand most of the movie, but not the last part.
Then how did you understand the movie?
The last part is basically just showing all the things with inverting yourself and going "backwards" in time instead of forward
I lost all respect for it when they just ignored logic and physics with driving the car backwards/forwards.
That just means its rewatchable.
Try the movie Primer and then come back to that. Then watch Primer again. Then mix in a little bit of Annihilation and start over.
Extra points if you're stoned.
Tenet literally sucks, it was literally an embarrassment to cognitive functions
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Annihilation is not complicated at all, the whole thing is just a metaphor for various traumas and how we deal with them.
Natalie Portman and the guy go through the trauma of infidelity within marriage, they both come out changed by it, different yet the same, hence the shimmer in their eyes at the end.
The first scientist chick who dies to the bear, she lost her daughter to cancer, completely out of her control, just like hear death to the bear.
The chick that ties them up, she is an ex addict, she dies to self-destruction, the actions she takes directly lead to her death by the bear, just like an addict their own lives.
The chick who plays Valkyrie in Thor, she suffers from depression and self-harming she dies by giving up.
The main scientist lady, she is dealing with cancer too and her own body betraying and destroying her.
There is a reason they talk about the still alive cancer cells from a 100 years ago at the beginning too.
It's also a great examination of dream logic and waking nightmares. The lack of a sense of time, the sceen transitions contribute to not being aware of how you got somewhere. Everything, even the people, just feel off. When the main character is holding her husbands hands and it's shot through the glass of water, it makes something ordinary feel weird and threatening.
I especially liked the aesthetic of the transition between a beautiful dream and a nightmare. Like the rainbow swamp at the beginning and suddenly being attacked by the albino alligator.
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I really liked tenet and planning to rewatch it again. I watched it at home with headphones and subtitles, so once they sound issue went away, it was a pretty straightforward movie, even with all the time confusion.
I usually don't watch dubs of shows I can understand in the original.
So anyway. I watched tenet dubbed.
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I think Tenet is amazing. Yes, it's confusing but you'll manage. If you get the main points, you can enjoy this movie even if you don't get every detail
I understood everything and it was like being forced to gurgle the gunk in the shower drain
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I saw a YouTube video where like 15 guys in some poor country rigged up a bicycle or something to power a projector that displayed a horrible picture of a movie onto the side of a stack of old tires. They were watching Tenet.
Of all the movies to watch that way..
I would have loved to see them be interviewed about it two hours later.
James cameron would kill them if they had watched avatar 2
He wouldn't just kill them he would hunt them for sport.
You you have to get the VHS version and watch the whole thing on rewind to understand it.
Call me a dummy but I just don't want to be engaged in this way as a form of entertainment.
To be fair, I had to watch it twice to understand it - i noticed so much more on the second watch through. And for everyones complaints with the audio - use subtitles, a lot of spots where there is inaudible dialogue, especially the art storage scene, is just nothing talk.
Exactly, it was really clear that the dialog was not relevant in that section. It was a standard recon scene.
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Tenet was quite boring. I like interstellar and inception a lot more.
Hm i found interstellar really boring. Tenet at least had stuff to think about, even though when you actually did the thinking it only lead to dead ends.
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Inception is among my all time top movies. I still haven't seen Interstellar though and I almost don't even want to watch it either. I like knowing that in the era of shitty movies there's atleast this one gem I can reach for whenever I want.
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Part of the issue for me was the audio is mixed so that you can barely hear the dialogue.
It's frankly amazing that it managed to make it to release. Who the fuck thought the mix was acceptable? Scene 1 I had no clue what was happening because I couldn't hear! Ridiculous.
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I... "got a copy" and it was fine on my television. I dont even have external speakers (built in speakers). I wonder if the digital release fixed this issue.
Ugh, I hate that so much! Especially since I sometimes like to fall asleep to a movie I've seen many times before and at the end just drift off to the sound of it.
"Whisper whisper whisper EXPLOSIONS AND YELLING whisper whisper whisper" is probably my least favorite style of sound mixing.
I like to be able to hear the quiet parts without the loud parts bursting my ear drums, thank you very much!
You may want to see if your TV has a “night mode” in the audio settings. It’s basically just an audio compander, (combination of compressor and expander.) It expands the quiet parts to be louder, and compresses the loud parts to be quieter. It destroys any kind of dynamics that the director intended, and can cause some difficulty with intelligibility if there’s lots of background noise, (because the noise is getting expanded too!) But for watching things at night, it’s almost a must for dynamic movies.
Some brands call it headphone mode, because headphone users also frequently complain about dynamic audio too; They turn up to hear the quiet parts, then get their ears blown off during the loud parts.
Sounds like exactly what I need, thanks! I'm watching on a tablet on the bed next to me, but if it's available on TVs as a mode, it's probably available for VLC on Android too.
It destroys any kind of dynamics that the director intended
Fuck their intentions lol. Having a huge gulf in loudness is good for two things only: jump scares and Michael Bay type movies trying to impress you with how loud things go boom. Both are just annoyances to me at the best of times and keeping me from falling asleep at the worst.
can cause some difficulty with intelligibility if there’s lots of background noise
That might be a drawback, though. On the other hand, who keeps in a lot of background noise in the first place? Morons and amateurs, that's who! 😛
Some brands call it headphone mode, because headphone users also frequently complain about dynamic audio too; They turn up to hear the quiet parts, then get their ears blown off during the loud parts.
Yup, I know that all too well as a daily headphones/earbuds user for the last several years, maybe even a decade..
I highly recommend using Nova video player. It's an android video player specifically made to handle movies and series. It's got everything you neeed from automatically downloading each movie /episode poster, description, subtitles, got audio boost and night mode. And oh, I almost forgot to say that it's an open source project and it's available on f-droid.
It's a shame that the app is barely known, so if you enjoyed it, please share it.
Will give it a try for sure 🙂
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I kept hearing this complaint but when I finally watched it there was only one scene where I couldn't hear the dialogue (when Neil is scoping out the airport bank vault) and it seemed very much intentional. Did you find this to be an issue throughout the entire film?
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I’ve heard it’s because it’s mixed for surround sound
Not being able to hear the dialogue is an artistic choice Nolan has been intentionally making since around The Dark Knight Rises. I know that sounds dumb but, I’m not joking. I have been baffled by this choice and have refused to see any of his films until Oppenheimer. Which was a major improvement.
It felt like I was watching a bunch of vines strung together in a parody of a Nolan film. I couldn't finish it, there was literally a cut every 3 seconds.
I would NOT call Oppenheimer a major improvement! It was one of my least favorite theater experiences because I couldn't hear half of the dialogue and the whole thing was way too loud.
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I heard it was mixed specifically for high-end theatre speakers. I think Nolan was just too far up his own ass on this one.
I watched it in Dolby Atmos and still couldn't understand shit. It was simply very, very badly mixed. I don't think I'll watch another film from Nolan.
Optimized for peak surround sound, allegedly. I have a $5000 system and it still sounds like shit. I can understand it, but it's shit nonetheless.
Snobby ≠ good, methinks.
I find that with a lot of movies lately
It was worse around 15 years ago.
You want to hear things well, though? You'll need surround sound system and to turn up the center speaker. That's where they generally mix the voice audio.
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i really hate that shit where they intentionally cut the movie in a really shitty annoying confusing way just to make the story ostensibly more cOmPleX rather than just writing something good and relying on its strength like a normal good film
the prestige really pissed me off
The Prestige was one of the most comprehensible movies Nolan ever made...
Essentially the people have the ability to go backwards or go forwards in time. To go back or forward in time you need to go through an entrance, red means forward, blue means backwards. Their weapons and bullets have the ability to do this by themselves. The bad group wants to acquire the original source of this power and rewind the entire earth to undo climate change, the good guys believe this would destroy the world instead of saving it. The protagonist is the creator of the group in the future, but sends his associates back in time to recruit his younger self and put an end to this group. The main way they attack in this movie is by one team attacking at one point in time and another team attacking backwards in time. Eventually, the bad guys get all parts of this source and begin the process to reverse all of Earth, but the protagonist wins in the end. This is when its revealed he recruited all these people in the future to save the world, making the ending also the beginning.
Thank you. Also WTF. I did not pick up any of that and I think I've seen it three times.
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Tenet in 70mm IMAX was absolutely incredible. I'm sorry you don't get it.