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Hypothetically, that is.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lobotomize all conservatives to see if their IQ increases.

We've exhausted all other options.

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[–] callyral@pawb.social 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Here's a very unethical linguistics experiment that I think would be interesting:

Raising a group of children completely isolated from any language, spoken or otherwise. They would not be fully isolated from people, but those people would not be able to communicate with each other in the vicinity of the children (no speaking, no gestures, etc.) Of course, to isolate them from language would mean strictly controlling their lives (very unethical). Could they communicate with each other, and maybe even develop a language?

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who from the US government will last the longest in a bonfire. Although it might be questionable if this experiment is really unethical.

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

I'll allow it, we can also see if two wrongs make a right.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Raise a group of a dozen newborns with absolutely zero contact outside of their own group. Food and necessities get provided of course, but no language learning, no nurturing, no generational teaching.

What kind of community do they form when they are old enough to grasp such things? Do they develop their own language; or a different method of communication entirely. How do they stratify their society, or even do they?

At a certain point, when they are old enough, introduce challenges that only work if they cooperate with one another. See what happens.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lock someone is a room-wide 24h fMRI or some other imaging technique to get a full recording of a human body working.

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[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The mouse utopia experiment but on humans. Ive always seen a subset of people who bemoan having to work or develop specialized skills to contribute to society. They want everything provided for them so their whole life can be leasure and comfort. A lot of socialism and communism selling points tend to be about having social services and things provided to you.

I'm interested to see the long term affects of people in a society where EVERYTHING is provided for you all the time. Every survival concern, sexual pleasure, every base urge, every whim and desire. For decades and decades and decades. Would it be a genuine good for society or would it be a monkeys paw situation?

Ive always hypothesized that any human society that attempts this will quickly erode into something similar to the mouse utopia.

Without any environmental pressures or meaningful challenges to overcome a large portion of the population without strong internal drives will become lethally/suicidally lazy, apathetic, and narcicistic

I suspect theres a large amount of people who simply have zero internal drives to apply themselves to doing a thing unlesd they have to. without the pressure of survival in either a physical or economic way they would simply sit on their ass, jerk off, play games, and maybe groom themselves, for decades until they die. Merit and overcoming challenge are important aspects of drive and dopamine generation. You deprive a person of those things they become lethargic. If that sentiment proves itself true it will be a hard pill to swallow for a lot of ideologies.

Unethical questions:

Statistically speaking, how many people would escelate their wants to socially taboo depravities? How quickly?

How long on average would it take for pleasure to become less meaningful in the face of instant gratification? Is there a logarithmic function that charts this?

How many people on average decide to begin self harm out to seek novel sensations? How long until onset?

How many people choose to live out a full life vs taking the placebo cyanide capsule and being removed from experiment? What would their reasonings be?

[–] nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

the issue that caused societal collapse in the ~~mouse utopia~~ Behavioral Sink was overpopulation, not that they had their needs met comfortably lol

for a more accurate comparison look at Rat Park Experiment.

TL;DR: rats in solitary confined standard lab testing cages will consume lots of morphine laced water available as an alternative to normal water, rats in a spacious cage with other rats of both sexes and entertainment are not very interested in the morphine laced water. in fact they drank more of the laced water when naloxone, a drug that negates the effects of opioids, was added to it. the implication being that the rats were more interested in sweet water than morphine in good social conditions

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I'm curious if it's even possible to satisfy every whim of a human. Do they get any access to human culture? If not, it would be like cloned birds failing to migrate.

[–] brrt@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I'm in that Foto and I don't like it!

Would it be space limited like the mousetopia too? If not you could have everything you desire and just go hiking for the Dopamin would be my dream lol

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remove every unhealthy person and/or gene modify existing ones to eliminate every allergy orbodily defect caused by gene defect.

Also gene modify so that theres no mental detorioration and humans die just because they are old and the nody can't keep up with maintenance.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not even unethical, we just have bioconservatives in charge.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remove every unhealthy person

Well that seems very unethical.

About gene modification, assuming it were to fully work without risks, it would still only be ethical if the patient were to consent, which not everyone would.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Fair enough, I was letting "or" do a lot of heavy lifting there.

[–] Tomassci@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Separate a child from society. Like place them into a void with no human culture. And see what they think later on.

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Take the people expressing their violent political fantasies in threads like this and make them live in the worlds they're advocating for.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I suggested lobotomizing all conservatives. I'd 100% live in that world and love every minute of it.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Allow all kinds of drugs and other enhancements in sports and see where the limits of the body are

[–] Tomassci@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Too late, the techbros already went with this one

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago

Ultra Olympics

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[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Most research on human embryonic stem cells - currently impossible in western countries due to ethics concerns.

Theoretically, if a few stem cells from every embryo early on and frozen that might be a huge boon for them once they grow up to adults with potential health issues. Need a new heart? Grow one in a lab from the preserved cells - perfectly compatible.

Currently these kinds of things can't be explored, and whilst the ethics may be dubious the potential medical benefits left on the table are astonishing.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Take ten or twenty thousand children, take over a fairly large portion of a midwestern state, build a large and complete environment for them to live in including towns, museums, theme parks etc. and raise them as normal Americans but absolutely 100% avoid introducing them to the concept of religion until they're 25.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that they would start making one up very soon.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not meaning dump 20,000 children alone in the left half of Wyoming, I mean, keep them with their parents, hire teachers, teach them math and science and...basically a history that replaces a lot of "and they believed their gods said" with "the ruling class decided they wanted to". What happens to children when they are raised in a functioning, supportive, nurturing society that does not contain religion or superstition?

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[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I suspect they'd invent their own. No one introduced religion to humanity. It came from within.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then the experiment would yield data.

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[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

Before the oldest turns 24, that small city would just sublime into a higher plane, leaving behind nothing but a beautiful prairie and a fresh minty smell.

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[–] scbasteve7@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Put a hundred toddlers on an island. Leave a few older children that will disappear a few years later that are taught to fish/hunt/gather. See what kind of language develops, or what kind of civilization. How many survive?

It is VERY unethical. Add variables to other islands, such as the amount of children, and what you teach them.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 2 points 1 month ago

This is somewhat similar to how Nicaraguan sign language was developed. Basically, kids at a school for the deaf invented it.

You know there was a mad king who tried to do the same?

Babies just end up dying if not talked to. He also wanted to figure out the language of gods

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hypothesis: Conservatives will refuse to believe contradicting facts regardless of punishment.

Experiment: Use increasingly painful stimulus for negative reinforcement when subjects espouse harmful views, ie racism.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I'm on the "make stupid hurt" train.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Worldwide, making all coffee decaf, and not telling anyone.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

You fucking monster

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

gather massive amounts of stats on the ideal amount of physical punishment to mete out to children to produce the best results in adults.

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