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This is why I always LOL when some far right (or some kind of "moderate" NPC) person starts up with the "liberal media" in reference to the likes of NYT.
Seriously, people need to POINT and LAUGH at such things being taken for granted. Exactly how is NYT in any meaningful way "liberal"?
I’m sorry, no mention of the following re genocide in Gaza?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piDVPUicgKo&t=1358s
Fuck that rag
The place that Judith Miller called home is a cesspit of misinformation and bias?!?
This is my complete lack of surprise. I have no clue why anyone takes the NYT seriously.
The problem is that they have huge distribution and much of what they publish is in fact an honest attempt to get things right
The premise of the article is that no one here was alive and could read in 2016.
Yeah. NYT is effectively a pro-trump spin machine. No shit. So is every other corporate news sewer hole.
A lot of current voters were too young to vote and not paying attention in 2016.
Like 15%, sure.
The Wordle people have a journalism outlet???
Games like that are a key part of how they pay to run the news outlet.
Maybe this isn’t the place for this but, I do pay for their website, and some stuff is quality. However, even as a paid user, I’m subjected to CONSTANT, and I mean CONSTANT aggressive ‘upgrade’ offers. I was even thinking to post to mildlyinfuriating about it. I did the math a bit back and it was something like every 3-4 days since 2022 that they send me emails pushing me to upgrade from their least expensive plan. Not to mention forcing me to reject it anytime I clear my browser cache and have to re-log in. Also when I’m on the site I’m subjected to it. It’s frankly disgusting. When it comes to marketing they are only marginally better than Condé Nast 🤮🤮🤮
Weird. I'm a paid user and I've never once been encouraged to upgrade anything.
I've got just about the lowest pay option too, so you'd think I'd be a prime target.
I use the app and a desktop browser (but with adblock). Where do you see them?
I appreciate the detailed link, but I do understand profit chasing. They’re just super aggressive about it. 🫠
Would've been nice to have people speak up about this when they were spreading lies about trans kids, or WMDs in Iraq, or Iran Contra, or any of the other million and two instances of them abusing their position to protect the powerful and oppress the powerless, but yeah, the New York Times sucks. Not as bad as a Wall Street Journal or a Fox News, but they're just as stupid and shallow and sensationalist as CNN, and definitely below reputable outlets like NPR/PBS and the Guardian.
That all being said, this poll was likely pretty accurate considering it parallels what a bunch of others are saying (archived)
A day after Democrats dragged a New York Times/Siena College poll that showed the president falling 4 points behind his likely Republican opponent, former President Donald Trump, in a general election matchup, Sunday brought an additional three major surveys also showing Trump leading amid broad and deep dissatisfaction with the incumbent.
Yeah. They are the news of the New York coastal elites. That’s not to imply that New Yorkers are elitists, they are, but this isn’t the random New Yorker who thinks they’re better than some bitch in Cleveland. They’re the newspaper of the sort of people who the left hates having to share a party with. The ones who would rather discuss “the trans issue” with “respected academics” like Janice “eradication” Raymond and Ray “doesn’t believe in bisexuality” Blanchard than with actual trans people even philosophers and academics like Natalie Wynn, Janet Mock, Julia Serrano, or even the late Leslie Feinberg. These are the people who get whipped up into frenzy and go to war because capital was attacked and still are uncomfortable praising John Brown’s methods. They’re the ones who will say they resisted all they could while kissing asses and risking nothing, but occasionally wagging a finger and tutting, but if it comes to socialism or barbarism they will always choose barbarism and blame the socialists for their choice.
Don’t worry, the democrats are going to turn this around by telling you it’s your fault for being unhappy with them! 🫠
Sorry, we replaced all the actual journalists at the NYT info desk with Ross Douthat, a junior officer at the IDF, and six copies of the latest ChatGPT software.
This is a great article. I was skeptical at first, because I used to consider the NYT one of the best journalism outlets in the country. But the author here does an excellent job of laying out the evidence for why I get more and more of a bad feeling from my former gold standard.
The polling issues are just inexcusable and nonsensical. Their sample seems highly unrepresentative of the population, to the point that it makes me wonder if it was on purpose.
I don't think there's a conspiracy at the NYT, at least because they're never going to pass as a conservative organization. Pessimism about Biden won't change that.
My guess is that, like many people, they're panicking in slow motion. It's hard to maintain your composure when you think your nation and your way of life are seriously threatened, but then things look worse when you panic.
I don't think there's a conspiracy at the NYT, at least because they're never going to pass as a conservative organization. Pessimism about Biden won't change that.
The New York Times is absolutely a conservative organization. They supported the Iraq War including with an infamous series of articles that included, more or less, outright fabrications. They along with the rest of the mainstream press shit relentlessly on people like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders whose wild popularity among voters is due to him being much better-aligned with their political views, in opposition to either the center-right or the far-right-sorta-Nazis that are the two choices that exists in modern Washington. I haven't looked at their coverage of Gaza but I'm sure the viewpoint it begins at is horrifying.
I like Biden and I like the New York Times. But in most places in the world they'd be a conservative paper. It's only because the Overton window has shifted so, so far in this country that they're considered as some kind of liberal bastion because they occasionally report the truth instead of slavishly fawning over the leader like some kind of Belarusian hack.
I think if you define mainstream Democrats as center-right, then by that standard the NYT would indeed be a conservative organization. However, that's beside the point - even if you call it conservative, it's still clearly an organization that does not support Trump. Some doom-and-gloom about Biden won't change that reputation, especially since he'll get their official endorsement. (They haven't endorsed a Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower in 1956.)
So then yes they are as the democratic party is 100% a center right party.
Just because they don't support trump doesn't have anything to do with if they are a conservative organization
The Times/Siena poll also somehow comes up with 12 percent support among Democrats for Rep. Dean Phillips, who has yet to get more than two percent of the vote in a primary. Even Phillips himself posted a tweet that said “When the NYT/Siena poll shows me at 12%, you better believe it’s flawed. Only 5% even know who I am.”
It's like in those ninja movies where the guy stabs his sword through himself in order to kill someone behind him.
The only polling I even partially trust is aggregated and adjusted for quality (like 538). And only a month (...or a week) before the election. Polling is broken and only getting worse, for many reasons. But I guess there is money in it, so it continues until it's worthless.
