So many tears...
*liberal tears
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That's the issue with the FPTP voting system, it always eventually leads to a 2-party state like the US and the majority of the population votes for someone other than the winning party.
This happens in literally every country with the same voting system as the US.
How many of those who didn't vote were from the states where Democrats won?
How many were from swing states?
How many were from Red states?
In an electoral college based election these nuances matter.
More people voted for no president, kick Trump out of the whitehouse
No, their lack of voting meant they were fine with either candidate. Only 1.06% said they weren't fine with either.
I would say that the Republicans winning the popular vote made it a pretty decisive victory.
Winning by less than 1% is not decisive.
Did you somehow miss that the meme is about the people who chose to vote for a third party, or not at all?
Why on earth these people didn't vote?
When 43/50 states are already locked in and decided a lot of people don't bother. That's a huge reason for people not voting.
If elections were actually decided by popular vote you'd see more people voting. The electoral college is a voter suppression tool.
Misogyny is part of it.
Compulsory voting in Australia is looking good
We can't expect Americans to travel to Australia. Be realistic.
Australia has a pretty good preferential voting system too.
The only major problem with elections in Australia that comes to my mind is the way political advertising works. Truth in advertising laws do not apply to political ads, for fuck-knows what reason. And there's a lot of money sloshing around for the purpose of supporting the politicians who support certain groups. The media landscape isn't exactly an even playing field.
But the voting part itself is genuinely quite well done.
We give a lot of chances to vote in the US. Mail in ballots, early voting, polling places open late. Discounting the tiny group of people who do not have and cannot get proper ID, and the tiny group of totally disabled people with no support system whatsoever, everyone should be able to figure out getting their vote in.
That leaves the people who don’t want to vote. But there is no way around the fact that being unforgivably stupid. Does your vote really matter in our crushingly ineffectual two-party system? Not as much as I would like. But there is an obvious choice between a party intent on dismantling the very foundation of the nation, and one simply content to let it fall apart. Voting for the former assures destruction, voting for the latter gives us time. Voting for neither, is moronic.
My point - Do we think that forcing this group of lazy and/or idiotic Americans to vote would add anything valuable to the political process?
Education is where positive political participation begins. Until we fix that and stop actively making it worse, there is no election reform solution to the festering rot of ignorance and apathy.
Turnout is low when votes don't matter and voters get suppressed when their vote does matter. This is working as designed.
Many of us got voter roll purged. If you get purged you don't technically get a vote because provisional ballots are only counted if the race is close ... and the race wasn't close because of the provisional ballots.
I'll take whoever this "Did not vote" instead please
Let's be honest here, both parties are full of shit. During Biden term 3500 students had their visa revoked due to anti Zionist protests, let alone canary mission bullshit.
And do not forget about insider trading and that both parties are funded by private companies
And Trump wants to deport 20 million people, yea, exactly the same.
He didn't say anything about exactly the same, just that they both suck. Dems want to shoot you with .22 caliber rounds in the extremities cause it's not lethal, while the Trumptards want to shoot off your arms with explosive .50 cal to get the "necessary amputation" done quick. One of those is 100% objectively worse, but some people would ideally like an option that doesn't involve getting shot at all. Pointing out that getting shot sucks regardless of who is pulling the trigger shouldn't be all that controversial.
The problem with your analogy is the third choice wasn't don't get shot. We had three choices.
- Choose to get shot in the arm with a .22
- Choose to get shot in the arm with a .50
- Do nothing and get shot in the arm with a .50
This wasn't the trolley car problem. Simple game theory can be applied.
I agree the Dems need to do better but Trump is objectively worse in every way. Forget his political views, he's just a garbage human being. He's everything that's bad about humanity, or at least of capitalism, and it saddens me that 60% of my fellow Americans are just cool with that.
Yeah, I agree, but the problem is that there is never a 3rd option and so option 1 has gone over decades from getting just getting a purple nurple to getting shot by airsoft, then to a BB gun, then a pellet gun, and now a .22. Everything only ratchets one direction.
The Two Party system and game theory has put us in this position, the elite class has captured both options so they are fine no matter what, and the majority of lawmakers on both sides object to voting methods that will allow the possibility of third parties to emerge.
The question becomes which option 2 is "not bad" enough to risk allowing when the opportunity is taken to break the machinery behind option 1 and replace it with something better? We have no guarantee that anything after this will constitute a better opportunity.
The Republicans should do the same, take this chance with Trump having hijacked the whole system to jettison it a remake a functional conservative/center right party without the likes of McConnell. Break the party, replace the politicians and make reforms like ranked choice or STAR voting so everything isn't zero-sum.
BoTh SiDeS!!
They are not the same. One is an open Nazi party
Being an open Nazi party vs. "only" openly supporting Nazis doesn't really make the choice much easier.
Obviously Dems would have been somewhat better, but I really can't blame anyone with a conscience for voting third-party or not at all when both main parties are fucking horrible.
trump talked about how elon knows those voting computers so well
It's something to keep in mind.
Don't alienate those 36.32%. I'm sure some of us have strong feelings about their choices, but at the end of the day they outnumber Democrats and Republicans each by quite a bit. If you want to see change you are going to have to convince some of them to join you. This goes for elections and this goes for revolutions.
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