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This is where I fall off with liberals. "Lose the Trans talking points, they are holding the DNC back."
How about first we try losing the DNC talking points. They've been in charge this whole time and I didn't see trans people allow fascism to wash over the states while they were at the head of the government.
You arent going to win any elections catering to 1% of the total population and alienating a large part of it. I would say that is just common sense politics at this point.
Our current system is predicated upon catering to the wealthiest (0.)1% which keeps winning them elections. Abusers of power get to frame their own opposition, and so you have things like poor people being blamed for the excesses of the rich. So you have people start swearing off avocado toast they never bought in the first place instead of proper italian plumbing.
Trans-rights have never actually been an issue. Anti-trans people are the issue because they made their issue everyone elses.
Abusers deflect and redirect onto their targets so they never have to defend themselves. It isn't that trans people want to survive, it's that there's motherfuckers that don't want trans people to exist.
Protecting the rights of individuals is not catering to 1% of the total population. Its the bare minimum in a supposed civilized democracy. You can never, ever, compromise on protecting individuals that are causing no harm to others and just trying to navigate through the world.
Do we need to showcase the trans issue? No. We need politicians that are better at navigating the media environment and can effectively strategize against the GOP propaganda machine.
If you do that first, you wouldn't have an issue with trans people. For fuck sakes make an attempt at it even and if they are capable and what I say is wrong, fine, expel the trans people from the party. Except, accept you will never be a party of values only one of opposition, so be cautious of ever trying to claim morality after that point.
In this case at this point in time it is. Progressives built their entire hosue of cards on trans and lgbtq rights and then popular opinion swung the other way and the little support they had evaporated in conjunction with their political power.
If its true their support has waned then the people in power are the exact people who deserve to be. You want to vote for dems because they wear blue not because you give a shit about principles.
I'm so glad your privy to my private thoughts. People like you are why everyone thinks progressives are fucking nutters.
What's private? Did you not suggest the DNC abandon its trans platform?
I'm talking about your statement where you randomly decided I'm basically blue maga.
Your problems not with me then. What principles do you stand for? Is it, "do what ever it takes to win" or "reason and compromise can be used to benefit all people"? Ideas that win are ideas that deserve to win. While this might not always be true its a principle you can stand by.
What the fuck are you talking about? It's 8:30 in the morning here. I haven't had enough coffee to even keep up with your golden retriever energy.
Let me try one more time, if we still arent there I dont know.
Yes, the DNC can exclude trans people from the party platform. Does it change the fact that democrat voting people overwhelmingly support trans people? Does it actually convince moderates they want a long term stake in the party?
No, probably not on both accounts. What it does do is maybe win an election here or there.
So what will happen, when the same moderates say, "time to toss trans people under the bus"? Does the base move or do these moderates get tossed?
Wouldn't it be better to stand on your principles. Principles that say all people deserve a better life and the trans community deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
My gripe is, before this whole argument even matters the DNC needs a coherent, functional, media strategy and that does not just materialize out of no where. Start there, before lopping off your arms in attempt to be as intellectually bankrupt as the RNC.
Look bud, I think everyone deserves to live a fulfilling life with all their needs met. I however am just one person and most of the people I interact with on a day to day basis seem to be fully on the "empathy is bad" train. I don't know how to fix anything and frankly I'm too tired to care at this point.
Well. I dont think empathy is bad. Its not a principle I can abandon. I dont get to shape the world the way I want it, either. Most of us really only get small chances to tip the scales. I dont think any presidential votes I cast in the last 8 years mattered. I dont think there is a world where they could matter. Ill keep voting though, and try to tip the scale.
The world I want, the empathic world I imagine, is not a world I will most likely get to live in. So, if its a good idea and I dont give up on it, surely it can only win because its good. Whether or not I get to see it is beyond my control.
This is all lost in the weeds, though. Youre in the right place because youre thinking of ways to stop trump. That's notable. You're also considering things we can do in the immediate future. All good too. So which path actually happens or whatever, just remember, you'll course correct that one too.
Lose the gun talking point.
Dems be Beto O'Rourke'ing every election
This is the moment that O'Rourke lost texas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMVhL6OOuR0
2nd amendment can serve an important purpose, kill traitors who are violating the constitution.
Unfortunately, dems managed to convince people left-of-center to disarm, while the far-right have become the majority of gun owners.
Thanks, Democrats. You did the job for the fascists.
Gun are great. End fascism where the idea begins 🧠 by using the 2A
it is like watching interdimensional cable from Rick and Morty "in this reality it is normal to carry guns and the discussion is which side of the aisle has more"
I feel like.. this is half baked... but I feel like the gun stuff should be ... states rights? Push it down to the state level. Let texas be texas. Let new york or new york city specifically have its own laws. Make right wing people argue against states rights some more.
But the gun stuff is a constitutional issue, which is the complete opposite of states rights.
Abortion was pushed back to a states rights thing because there was no federal laws on the books and they scrapped the right to privacy interpretation it was previously under. The right wing is happy to argue against states rights for a national abortion ban, especially when they are losing at the state level.
I have been saying this for years, as someone who lives in Texas: If the Dems stopped talking about "taking away guns", then Progressive policies/candidates would win in landslide elections constantly.
I voted for Beto, donated to his campaign, had his yard sign, etc. But I knew that sound clip was going to haunt him forever.
I am far from a one issue voter, but the louder you are against the working class being armed, the slimmer the chances of me voting for you.
It's one of things we actually agree with rightoids about... Democrat strategy is stupid beyond belief; who are the anti-gun libs going to vote for, the Republicans?