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I stayed less than one day on that place and fml, that place is horrible...
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i just looked at the tittles for about the top 200 post on r/atheism right now and 1 was about Islam (an ex-muslim complaining that libs were calling them Islamophobic) and one talking about all abrahamic religions, most were about the concept of religion or christianity, and in my own personal experience being very far into the entire skeptic "movement" back when it was an actual thing, i think that while Islamophobia was around it wasnt core to whole thing and most people were concerned with Christianity much more than other religions.
dont get wrong reddit atheism is mostly a western and specifically and english speaking thing, that is not explicitly leftist so it reflects that in the people who take part so there more racism and Islamophobia and everything else than u would find in other groupings of people but it certainly never seemed to me like reactionary views were core to it or that it was built on them.
Now? Ok whatever, maybe it's changed.
12 years ago when I was on there? The racism was recurrent. It wasn't everywhere, but it was frequent enough and offputting enough to poison the space, and like I said, it's not a surprise how many prominent New Atheists ended up being reactionary shits. Christopher Hitchens supported the destruction of Iraq, Sam Harris is vile, Richard Dawkins is an asshole, and the people who venerate them without acknowledging (or perhaps because of) their reactionary bents are sus as hell.
Or maybe you're not as good at noticing it because you haven't been forced to become hypervigilant about it. Are you Muslim or from a Muslim family?
maybe u are right and i am just bad at spotting it, i have nothing to do with Islam nor have i ever since luckily i was raised atheists. Maybe we are just operating on different understandings of what it mean for something to be built on racism because to me new atheists seem about as racists as any other random grouping of westerners, like racism or Islamophobia doesnt seem to be any more prevalent than in say online gaming discourse or in shitposting spaces, like it seems to me like the racism is there just because a bunch of white people are there and they arent explicitly against racism which is fucked up but its like background levels of fucked up.
Maybe it's just that discussing religion lets the racism show more clearly anytime Islam is brought up. Perhaps "founded on" wasn't the right word, but the racism is inextricable from those spaces because they're so white and refuse to be antiracist.