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Oh right, blame the voters in a rigged election. Makes total sense.
Actually, yeah. A lot of people voted third party and many more stayed home. I will blame them.
What can your party do to appeal to them next time?
Hint: it's not "jettison marginalized groups" or "move to the right." That got us here.
I would have thought eating the same gruel every day would have prevailed over eating saute shit a la fascism. As it turns out, Americans aren't good at binary decision making and some like to be imaginary revolutionaries.
Enabling, protecting and funding blatant genocide?
Purity politics have enabled more than one genocide, thanks to the non-voter.
If Harris had ditched the genocide funders in the last weeks of the election she'd be president right now.
You have the electorate you have. Appeal to them for the first fucking time or keep losing.
I'd rather watch it all burn. The petri dish is long overdue for a rinse in this terribly drawn out social experiment.
Centrism manifest. You would rather destroy than listen to the voters you hate.
I grow apathetic of the purity politics and blind gluttony of the left, yet as a progressive I am obliged to play their game? Fuck that. The price of ignorant bliss is suffering, and I refuse to pander to privileged electorates that think they can afford to play with peoples lives. This isn't centrism, it's giving up.
As opposed to a party that is taking advantage of a situation that lets them move as far to the right as they want without accountability.
six of one, half dozen of the other.
You mean saying "I would do nothing different from Joe Biden" wasn't enough to sway voters to vote? Wow what else could she possibly have done?
Thank God we avoided that, right? Right?
Running on the endorsement of Dick Cheney and promising to appoint a republican to her cabinet, naturally.
Yup. Until they take responsibility for the impact of their ego stroking and try to do anything at all to help, we're not going to let the people just shy of collaborators forget it.
Ironic since the Democratic party not supporting ranked choice voting is its own ego play. They just can’t stomach the idea of there being more than two parties. Same on the right. Unfortunately this centrism has resulted in the status quo.
No. It's a control play to try to maintain power (including wealth inequality). Egotists are involved but they're different things.
How is “I want to maintain power” not an ego play?
It's something that egotistical people might do but, they might also lie about the importance of their job or pay people to follow them around in an entourage. Not all egotists are as power hungry as politicians frequently are some want to be loved and adored.
The motivation matters and, while those that lust for power generally are egotistical, egotism itself isn't usual the reason.
Especially when so many continue to double and triple down rather than just accept that they fucked up.
At least the "Arabs for Trump" folks did a pretty much immediate about face. Still awful that they existed in the first place, but at least they had the wherewithal to walk it back when reality hit them.
So many people here just refuse to, and will call your progressive beliefs into question because you don't bury your head in the sand like them
Yup. Every time I'm critical of the idiots who didn't vote or voted 3rd party, the downvotes let me know those idiots are still out there, not grasping that they're idiots. There's a lot of them on Lemmy.
They fucked up. On some level they know it, but they're not big enough to admit it.
They were too small a group to appeal to, now they're solely to blame.
Which is it?
That was always a lie. But they are among the least reliable voters.
I mean, you can't ignore people or treat them with undisguised contempt if you want them to be reliable voters.
I think that that is looking at the problem from the wrong angle (even if it is extremely common). We need to not give a fuck what they think of us as we subvert their party and force it into something that's actually at all Left of center. That's impossible with people sitting out elections (especially primaries) and offering zero meaningful resistance to or action against the fascist Right.
democrats successfully argued in court that they don't need to run honest primaries. They didn't even have them last year.
How do you read "take responsibility for their impact" and then jump to "solely to blame." I swear people just hear what they want so they have a reason to be angry.
Are they to blame, or are they small enough to ignore?
Which one? I get that you want both. But you only get one.
I never said either. I called out your contradiction and you got really defensive and made assumptions for some reason...
I'm curious as to why you think you have the kind of authority in anyone's life to tell them they have to decide between two dipshit choices you present them.
These dumbfucks made an incredibly stupid decision, whether they ended up being too small a group to make the difference or not. They're still dumbfucks that chose their own perceived moral superiority over the wellbeing of their country.
Choosing both is logically inconsistent. I get that you hate progress and anyone who opposes genocide and want to ignore them so you can move to the right and have your genocide. That's disgusting, but fine, if you want to choose that, it's all centrists do. But if you do it on the grounds that the people you hate for not being republican-adjacent enough for your liking aren't a big enough group to matter, you don't get to act like they matter after the fact just so you don't have to stop moving to the right.
Found the 3rd party voter I guess.
The democratic party is a corpse these days.
That's the assumption whenever someone contradicts centrist orthodoxy.
It's wrong, but centrists never let that stop them.
You mean like the assumptions you made about me in your comment above? A bit hypocritical. But I guess you never let that stop you.
Have fun blaming the people whose votes you didn't want for the loss you earned.
I didn't want their votes?
How did I personally earn this loss?
Just pile on the hateful assumptions till you craft the world view you desire I guess. It seems like reality and truth are just inconveniences for you. MAGA thinks the same way. Do you by chance think America is great again too?
And we're back to the standard centrist standby. "anyone to my left is all the way to my right."
I'm beginning to think this isn't just you building strawmans, maybe you're unable to understand what I'm saying.
Let me try again:
You sound like MAGA, not because of your political views, but because of your relationship with the truth. Which is: make wild claims to support your stance with no evidence, then layer in some insults. That's how MAGA operates, and it's what you're doing right now. Never once did I mention your political views or you being left or right. Nor have I mentioned my political views. Just your wild claims and assumptions, and how they are very much how MAGA chooses to communicate as well.
For example, you said I didn’t want their votes. What proof do you have to make such a claim?
You said to have fun with the loss I earned. How exactly did I earn this loss?
I had already asked these questions to better understand the assumptions you are making, but you seemed to avoid them because they were inconvenient. Much like MAGA does as well.
Condescension and gaslighting. Should really make a bingo card for this. You're pretending that not buying what you're saying is not understanding it.
Are you able to answer my questions, or are you just going to avoid them and dance around topics while throwing insults? I've asked them twice now but you seem unwilling to explain what you said. Almost like you know it's ridiculous, unfounded, and petty.
They're claims you made, I just want to understand them better.
Oh, the irony.
And now sealioning. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not going to participate on your terms.
On my terms, by asking you to explain what you said? I'm such a troll with 2 simple questions, asking what you meant by your statement. We both know why you really won't answer.
I don't think there was ever a time you weren't sealioning this whole conversation lol. Nothing you said has felt genuine. You've just tried to cover it up with a Gish Gallop and now refuse to participate because you're being focused on 2 questions and the absurd claims you made. We both know it, can we stop the act.
And now DARVO.
You can use all the loaded terms you want to avoid blame and deflect but let's look back to how this started.
The irony is you are the one reversing and playing victim. You're committing DARVO while using it lol. You literally attacked me, then played the victim, and trying to say I was attacking you just for asking you to explain. Lol. This horrible thing I did to you was asking you to explain some attack you made. What a cry baby, sounds like you're terminally online. And looking at your profile, yep.
You said I didn't want their votes and I deserved to lose.
You made this wild claims and attacks. With no evidence. No reason. Just threw a temper tantrum for no reason. You seemingly can't control your emotions.
Then, when I asked you to explain these unhinged statements you just insulted me and deflected, because you know you were wrong but you're too proud to admit it. That's such a toxic trait.
And now you cry about every comment and how you're such a victim. You sound like you'd be an abusive partner, saying outlandish and unfounded insults then blaming them when they ask for clarification. You sound abusive AF. Another MAGA trait too.
Eh, on second thought, I'll just block you. You admitted to trolling. You refuse to answer basic questions. You constantly attack people and then cry the victim. You're a terminally online waste of time. You made a BS claim then cowered as soon as you were made to face it. This attempt to save face or whatever isn't working bud and it's a waste of time.
Also, with how abusive you seem I hope to God you're single. But with your attitude I don't think I have to worry too much lol.
Doubling down on the gaslighting and DARVO.