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It very much is and is talked about basically nonstop everytime the topic comes up from any content creator that's been in the game for longer then a decade.

The ad based system the internet is built on is unraveling.

Because more often then not people are entirely serious about shit like that. It's not funny and it's impossible to tell if it's someone joking or someone being entirely serious but deflecting a harsh reaction by claiming haha funny joke

Discord has no dependencies that would cause a breakage from doing that. It's entirely fine.

Partial upgrades basically only applies to the system it self. Not random self contained apps.

They force you to update even if you bypass the forces updated after a little bit. They just flat out block the connection server side. There are zero long term solutions.

You are required to update. Full stop. Sooner or later.

I loves blocks, doubly so when they have letters on them! Then I can make a stack all the way to C!

Yeah it sounds like someone need to calm down about being told to calm down honestly.

The Linux community had never once been able to grasp the concept of someone using Linux and not giving a single flying fuck about Linux.

People are here cause they hate windows, not cause they like Linux. Describes a LOT of gamers that are coming over right now.

Yet people keep pointing them at distros that ARNT something like cachy.

Valve, targets a arch based kde distro. THAT is what you should be giving gamers. That's going to have the least issues, the best support, is what most gaming communities make their tools, tutorials and guides around.

Do not give them gnome, stop suggesting mint or pop os. Great distros, but for people that want to use Linux. Not gamers wanting to game.

Gaming basically mandates that you are on very up to date systems if you want properly supported anything. It's like that in windows it's no different on Linux. You can be on a out of date system and have things works but it only creates more and more possible problems.

The fact I see people in this thread talking about proton 9 beta when 10 is out SCREAMS that the problem is almost entirely because they are on a distro that's using a older kernel and out of date packages.

To be fair people like to use distros that arnt great choices for gaming. Any distro can game, but some are far better choices then others, doubly so if you are new to Linux.

Look at Debian, Ubuntu or anything else based off them. Frequently behind, poor gamer community support, and frequently pushes new users towards gnome.

All things that for normal day to day don't matter one bit. But for a gamer can make things absolutely fucking awful. Creating endless edge cases.

Fedora and things based on it arnt much better. With poor gamer community support, less then stellar documentation and and frequently does some real weird shit ahead of the curve that's very unique to fedora. Making it frequently break things related to gaming.

Bazzite is uniquely good tho for this use case, tho cachy does the same thing with less issues.

Opensuse is slightly better Tho still has some lacking gaming community support. But generally isn't something new users are likely to use so less of a worry in a conversation about nontechnical gamers.

Which then brings you to arch which if this was 5 years ago would be a huge problem.

But with valve targeting arch specifically, most arch distros pushing users to kde, which valve targets, most gaming communities directly supporting software on the aur and arch because valve targets arch.

And the rise of stable easy to use options like endeavour, and the gaming focused cachy you have basically have one option that's a perfect base for new users to get a os that will be well supported for their use case, and the other that's for all functional purposes a literal steamOS clone for gamers.

So like normal you basically have a case, where the Linux community is like stuck 5 years in the past with general wisdom and telling new users to use distros that ARNT suited for their use case. Then there's endless edge cases cropping up of people having problems and things being overly complicated.

Instead of just telling people to install a distro option that comes with everything preinstalled, preconfigured and targeted directly by the companies and developers that they specifically want to use software from.

Again anything can work, but we arnt talking about Linux users using Linux. We are talking about gamers using Linux. They don't give a fuck about anything open source related, they don't care one bit about the differences between distros.

They just want to game and are fed up with windows. They aren't coming here cause they like Linux. They are coming here because they hate windows.

And that's something that the Linux community seems to struggle with massively as a concept. Give them the thing that does what they want, they don't care if it contains proprietary nonsense or not.

Just give them something that comes preinstalled with or is one click to install what they want.

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Sometimes half measures also just get a ball rolling so real measures can be done by showing that the half measures wernt enough.

It's the most expensive way to do anything, but people are so good damn against starting ANYTHING if it's not a perfect solution. That just getting people to accept a change at all is the hardest part typically.

Cachy is just endeavour but with like 20 hours + of all the extra stuff you do after an install already done if you are only focused on gaming.

Endeavour is fantastic but it's a general purpose project. Cachy IS first and foremost gamer/performance focused.

So if you love endeavour but want to only game then cachy saves endless time and effort and for new users or gamers wanting to be lazy it's just a no brainer to go cachy

There's a reason it's not up there and cachy is, bazzite is in basically just a worse version of what cachy is setting out to do.

It has a dedicated steam deck ISO, is the most well put together preset up arch distro there is for gamers. Period, there are no real good faith arguments here. It's like if someone took an endevour install and spent over 50 hours doing nothing but making every possiable part of it as easy as possible for gamers to just play games.

Its what Bazzite is functionally a knock off of. Anyone whos using Bazzite is litterally using an objectively worse option then cachy is their first and only goal is gaming. Which is bazzites entire gimmick basically.