Just a reminder for anyone concerned about potential FSF involvement that Free Software Foundation Europe has no ties to FSF or Stallman.
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I'm out of the loop what is the issue with the non EU FSF and Stallman (I assume this is about Richard?)
Probably something about toenails
I'm in for one ticket.
All the service! Who ever wins gets storage, key wallet, VPN and email. Thats pretty fucking good.
As an owner of a competing email service, I’m primed to dislike Proton, but god damn, I just can’t. They’re an awesome company. I hope that in the coming capitalistic hellscape (wait, we’re already in a capitalistic hellscape), Proton is able to defeat the 70% market share behemoths of Gmail and Exchange.
I’m really glad to see they’re supporting Ladybird too. That’s such a cool project.
Which provider if you don't mind sharing?
It’s https://port87.com/. I’m still working to make it ready for business use, but it’s ready to use as your personal email. It’s really good for keeping your email organized, which is something I’ve always struggled with personally.
It’s behind a waitlist right now, but I send out invites about once a week.
I just signed up to the waiting list. So how long do you plan to operate? And how do I know you are not reading my emails? I used to live in Escondido lol.
Let's say I had an established company ..not X...let's call it company "awesome". So your plan seems interesting because I could route awesome.com to you and then you handle the labels. Is that the plan? That way I don't have the send all my clients a new labeled email for every employee?
I don’t have any plans to cease operations, and I have enough capital to continue operation without profit for several years. Hopefully by then I’ll be profitable, though!
I don’t actively monitor any of my users emails. The only things that would justify reading any user’s email is if they are exhibiting suspicious activity or another user reports them. As far as whether you can know that, unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to assure you other than put it in my terms of service and privacy policy. Any email service that receives emails unencrypted from other senders technically has the ability to read your emails, even ones like ProtonMail that then encrypt the email for storage.
Yeah, basically the plan is to offer a full business email service. Each of your employees would have their own “bare” address, which could then be decorated with their own labels. So an employee named John Doe could have [email protected] for communicating with Some Vendor.
I’ll also have available the standard features like mailing lists (like [email protected]), user management, security and data retention policies, etc.
Good job, I'm with tuta and am super hesitant to switch since ctempla dropping the ball 3 years ago else I'd ask for an invite. But honestly need more indie providers like tuta, ctempla and proton.
I completely understand. One thing I’m working on right now is custom domain support, so that you can either use [email protected] or even just [email protected]. That way if you ultimately decide to switch providers, you wouldn’t have to change all your email addresses. I’m hoping to have that available within the next few months.
That's pretty much how addy.io works, I think their technology is also open source? At least free for selfhosted use, I never looked into the license itself.
Just had a look at your service and it sounds quite compelling. I'm just wondering how the "not a bot" sender confirmation works - would they essentially get an autoreply where they have to solve a captcha, click on a specific link or whatnot?
I'm curios how that works with senders that aren't individuals but e.g. services I'm signing up for.
Any label you only want real people to send email to, you would enable screening, and they’ll get an autoreply with a link. Right now it’s just a link, but if I need to in the future, I could add a captcha.
Any label that you use for signing up somewhere, you wouldn’t enable screening, so that way they can send automated emails to you there. If you use an address for a label that doesn’t exist, it gets created as a “pending label”. Then you can approve or block it (or ignore it and it eventually gets deleted).
I find it sus that they say 100% of the proceedings will be donated. I'm wondering if a fair part of this is an attempt to clear their image after they delivered environmental activists over to monarchical and corporate interests in the EU.
Hey look it's the bandwagon that thinks privacy focused services are above the law and talk smack about those when they follow the law
I think you need to relax a little here. Proton is a literal privacy focused non profit that follows the laws of where they are based. You can’t get much better than that.
Even in an ideal post scarcity would a non profit privacy focused organization that follows the laws of where it’s based is pretty ideal.
They literally gave over user information. That is what literal means. What their marketing claims is not literal.
Are you referring to the case where what proton handed over was only identifiable information because the moron chose their appleID email as recovery email and law enforcement got their real identity from that and not actually from proton?
They were required by law to give out whatever I formation they had, which is barely anything. Proton (and other similar services) aren't exempt from the law, despite what you may think.
Pretty sure they do this every year.
Expose activists?
Fundraisers
Cool. I bailed on Proton for Tuta because the value wasn't there for me.
I'll be buying a ticket to support the various orgs, and I'd definitely use the lifetime sub if I somehow won. It's cool of them to offer it.
I wish Tuta supported throwaway email addresses. If it did it would be nearly perfect.
I DIY it with my custom domain.
I need to figure out how to do that.
Tuta walks you through it, and I'm guessing Proton does as well. Basically:
- Buy domain
- Add to your email service (need a paid Proton or Tuta sub)
- Configure your DNS entries as per your email services instructions
- Create as many aliases as you want and have fun! I separate things into buckets, so shopping, games, etc, but feel free to go wild
You could also DIY the email service, but you'd have to look up the DNS settings to not get blacklisted by other email services. And even then, they could do an IP blacklist, so IMO it's worth paying for a reputable service.
Cool, thanks for the guide.
I already have Tuta. I used to have Skiff and that allowed you to create unlimited aliases with their domain. Alas, it was never meant to last as they were always owned by venture capital.
How does your experience with Tuta compare to Proton? Was it a good move?
I think so. Initially it was pretty rough, but they've been actively improving things, so it's better now. Once they finish implementing labels (soon?), I think it'll have everything I need.
Some downsides:
- must use their client - not an issue for me, but could bother others; their app isn't as nice as proton's IMO
- no extra apps, just email and calendar
- no good way to export data - they're improving this, but it's still a pain
The reasons I switched are:
- cheaper family plan - I'm currently the only one on it, but I could add more accounts for €3/month
- 3 custom domains - I currently use two, one for family and friends, and the other for online spam; I could probably use aliases, but I want it to be easy to switch if Tuta does anything I don't like; I'd have to get the top Proton tier for that
- I didn't actually use the other services anyway - I tried the VPN, but I honestly prefer Mullvad anyway, and I don't need VPN always right now
That said, Proton ultimate is a decent deal if you commit for 2 years. I just decided I'd give Tuta a shot and they're pretty reasonable.
Thanks, bought a few too
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