Citizen police?
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2025
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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Bass is technically doing more than just condemning, listening to her on the radio earlier. Looks like yet another lawsuit, which isn't that powerful but honestly I'm not sure what more one could reasonably do. Mayors can't exactly tell people to throw molotovs or something (she does sound pissed though).
She did say it's pointless, racist, etc., but that she thinks it could even be some kind of revenge thing from Miller against the city he was raised in. Like, yeah, can totally believe it from these assholes in charge.
Time for emergency road construction staging. Thirty dump trucks surrounding the park should do the trick. 10 more on standby to further box in any tow trucks the cops call in.
If the feds aren't going to coordinate with the local government, they should expect these sorts of interruptions and scheduling conflicts.
There can be a lot of them.
Sewer construction can stink up a whole block real quick.
Reminds me of shit GoP folks do out of spite, like Chris Christie closing a bridge to spite a Democrat mayor. While it might feel good to get a bit of vengeance that way, it's really more how the other side plays things.
It's not about vengeance. It's about protecting.
Well they aren't playing fair, and won't be. So, it seems there needs to be some sort of inconvenience for them.
"We will go anywhere, anytime we want."
Unreasonable search and seizure says what?
That would be a problem in counties that have those laws. The USA will not be among those soon, at least not for all people
Border Patrol El Centro sector chief Gregory Bovino told Fox News: "I don't work for Karen Bass. Better get used to us now, 'cause this is going to be normal very soon. We will go anywhere, anytime we want."
Yup, need everyone real comfortable with the armed masked men in the streets.
Bovino sounds like an ethnic name. He better be careful. It's not safe for people out there with his background.
They want to make suicide bombers out of citizens like they do when they fuck with other countries.
Memes, editorials and opinions are slowly going to become a waste of time as this gets more real.
The coup is happening. People are still pretending it’s just politics.
Remember when you could walk about, and travel around in the United States without having to show your papers?
This is worse because showing your papers won’t help you.
In fairness, showing your papers wouldn't have helped in any other regime either. If you were a target, or you "caught them on a bad day", then you're cooked.
Fair