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I was talking to a friend and complaining that the nearest grocery store is 3km from me, he says that Europeans consider that a reasonable distance to the store and I'm just being lazy.

I don't have a car, I don't have a bike, and the bus only comes by every four hours. Am I being unreasonable for not wanting to carry groceries 3km in 30C weather, or is my friend full of shit? Neither of us have been to Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I don't live in Europe anymore, but it was about 2.5km one way. There was a closer one, but from a chain I absolutely hated, so there I'd only pick up heavy or bulky stuff, like drinks, toilet paper etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

3 km sounds like too much to me. I don't think most people here would walk that far to do their shopping, especially in 30°C heat, mostly because we usually have small supermarkets all around.

I currently walk 500 m to my small neighbourhood supermarket when I just need to buy a few things and I don't recall ever living further away from some small supermaket. When I am running out of provisions, I take my car and go to a big hypermarket 7 km away. There are other hypermarkets closer by, even within walking distance (2.3 km), but that farther one is the one I like for doing a big shopping.

Of course, distance isn't the only factor. It's not the same 500 m in London or Amsterdam which are mostly flat than in the city where I live now, where the 500 m to my supermarket have gradients of up to 15 %.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Europeans

Huge diversity.

I have 1km and there are 3 different supermarkets, and I go there either by car or by bicycle.

Friends who live in Sweden have 10km to the nearest supermarket and then 50 km to the next one.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

3 Km is what? A half hour walk? I've lived in multiple European countries in my life and never been that far from a supermarket.

I mean, I definitely have walked that much daily. My longest walk to work I can remember was maybe 40 minutes. In some places where I'd take public transportation for like 20-30 min I've walked for an hour when I felt like it instead.

For groceries I don't think I'd take that with me that far walking unless it could go in my backpack. But seriously, if you don't have a shop in that radius around you in Europe you need a car anyway because you're out in the middle of nowhere.

But also, in European supermarkets you can normally get big grocery hauls delivered that far away. Just go there, buy your stuff, pay, book a delivery. Lots of old people who can't carry heavy weights do it. They still go to the shop, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

3km is kinda far, even with a bicycle, I have a small shop down the stairs and a medium supermarket at 5 min walk

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

3km is kinda far, even with a bicycle, I have a small shop down the stairs and a medium supermarket at 5 min walk

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I have several stores I frequently visit here, from 300 to 1500 meters away. If I need something from further away I just jump into the car or on my bike. It's not the distance that keeps me from it, I walk about 10 kilometers a day with my dogs and friends. I just don't want to walk an hour to get groceries, that's boring as hell.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

500 meters give or take.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have a bunch of medium and small shops very close to my house, a market, and a few supermarkets about 30-40 minutes away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

1600 metres, but I’m not walking to do the weekly shop. Or 900 metres if I want to pay extortionate amounts of money for probably out of date items.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Obligatory "I'm not European" but have quite a few online friends from euro land that I yak with regularly.

Remember their grocery shopping habits are (typically) much different than Americans. Where US shoppers may go once every week or two, and make large bulk purchases to load into their car, it's more common there to stop by a market every day or two on the way home from work or another errand, just to get a single light bag that is enough for the next couple meals. "Carrying home groceries" for a km or two is less of a chore if it's not 25kg of groceries at a time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I get the feeling that many Americans are under the illusion that most Europeans live in big cities like Paris or Amsterdam. And while it may be true that people in those cities have different shopping habits compared to Americans in similarly sized cities, that doesn’t reflect the reality for all - or even most - Europeans. For me and most of my friends, going to the supermarket once or twice a week by car has always been the norm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah, I can't stomach our tap water, so having to buy drinking water adds to my grocery weight. I guess that's also not normal for most Europeans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

In a 300-meter radius I have two large stores that I visit often, one super large 1 km away, and lots of small ones. Plus there are plenty of fast-food places all around. If I'm cooking something and realize I don't have an ingredient it takes like 7 minutes on foot to get it and be back in my kitchen. So I have never felt the need to have a car.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

500m to a small one, 1.2 to a fairly sized supermarket, some 3 km to a hypermarket.

Walking to the hypermarket and back is something I used to do quite frequently with a friend or another, but it is a slight chore, and I wouldn't enjoy going in -25C.

Usually if I have to walk I'll go to the supermarket, 1.2km is a very reasonable distance to walk.

Or 500m for some quick stuffs like a few beers or tobacco from the closest small store

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well a hypermarket is to a supermarket what a supermarket is to a small grocery store.

So just a very large supermarket that families would usually use for "the big shop". I assume the equivalent is one of those markets you need a card to enter in the US, idk.

Except you don't need a membership (but usually there's good benefits if you have one) and you it's not all family size products.

Oh my bad, actually the definition is just supermarket+department store, basically.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermarket

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Oh geeze, we don't make a distinction between a supermarket and a grocery store either, lol. Most 'grocery stores' in the US are apparently supermarkets because they sell stuff like dog food and laundry detergent? I don't think we have any stores that do just produce, at least not in the few states I've lived in.

Going off the wiki link, it looks like I have a hypermarket ~25km away.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I am in the states, my only non-Walmart grocery store is 0.5km and before my bike was stolen I used to ride there for groceries quite often. I rarely walk it, but I also hike ~9km a day with my dog.

I am in New Mexico and our temps are more like 36-39c. I am trying to get out of my truck more.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Europeans aren’t a homogeneous blob - we’re individuals. There’s no universal consensus among us about what counts as a reasonable distance to the grocery store.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Good thing I'm soliciting a range of opinions instead of just believing my friend then, right?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s your friend’s claim I’m criticizing - not yours.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Don't mind me, I'm just looking for stuff to shove in his face later, because I'm kinda irritated by his claim too, lol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have several grocery stores of different chains in my vicinity, in a 3km radius I could probably choose between 10+ locations (I just checked after posting: There are at least 18 grocery stores within that range and some options like farmer markets not listed). I only go to the closest ones (~500m) by foot, for most things further away I take my bike.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

2 miles. I drive it. There are shops nearby but they're a bit pricey

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

About 10 to 15 minutes walk depending on where you want to shop

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

700m for one and 1000 for another one. I ususally choose just based in my mood. They are basically the same

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

It is 2.4km to my nearest shop (and most of that to reach a bus stop, as it happens). I have walked there from time to time, but I wouldn't do an actual grocery shop there anyway: we have the weekly groceries delivered.

I have brought a full grocery shop home in a large rucksack that kind of distance, and more, in the past when on holiday, but I wouldn't want to do it regularly.

I have also known a couple of other people who do that kind of distance with a huge rucksack for a monthly top up of specific things that their local shops don't carry, but they are both weird in several ways other ways. Good weird, but still weird. This is not something that the majority of people that I have known would even consider.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Depends on what I want (availability in the shop).
But anything is in a range of about 6km in every direction and reachable by bike.
Got a Lidl, Aldi, Edeka Center, Rewe, Kaufland in my range.
All of mid size.

Depending on the weight I am willing to carry the groceries (if they don't need cooling).
But that depends on how much time I have and if I am in the mood.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

About 60m. 30 if I cut across the courtyard. It almost takes me longer taking the stairs down from 4th than walking the rest of the way.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 days ago (2 children)

For me it’s either 600m to a small corner shop or about 1.1km to a larger store.

I do 3km periodically for another store, but I wouldn’t do it in 30c weather. I’m barely willing to exercise in 25c weather.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The next closest store is 16km away 😭

Good to know my friend is full of shit about this being the same for y'all.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

About the same here, just a bit longer to the larger store

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago

400m, or 500 in the other direction.

BUT: no one around here would walk 3km. Hell, most people won't even walk the 500m.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Around 2.2km at the moment, according to google maps :3

Most places I lived before were significantly closer to the store tho.. 3km is still walking distance for groceries I'd say, but anything further than that and I'd definitely be considering a different transport method, just cause of the bags

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

800m by foot only.

Or about 50m and 2 tram stops.

edit: counting is hard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Does the tram allow cargo? My bus won't let you take anything bigger than you can hold on your lap.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Sure, just hauled home an AC unit on a rolling board using the tram.

There are special areas for strollers, bikes and other bulky stuff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Does it have cargo space, or do they just let you take up passenger space? Is the tram not full?

Edit: didn't see the edit lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I've been denied with luggage by a tram driver once. Moving a 2 person mattress was not allowed on the tram...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, I was too slow on the edit I guess.

There are special areas for strollers, bikes and other bulky stuff.

Is the tram not full?

Only during peak times. But even then, the frequency is 3.5 minutes, so skipping one or even two is an option.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dang, that must be nice. The bus only comes by once every 4 hours for me, and it's always standing-room only.

On the other hand, nothing wakes you up like standing on a bus going 80km/h on a bumpy road.

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