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This is a weird one. Bear with me. From [email protected]:

So I said to myself, "that's a little bit weird. The US one going up, I can actually believe, but the North Korea one being lower is definitely wrong."

I think Our World In Data is just being shoddy, as they often do.

https://www.wfp.org/countries/democratic-peoples-republic-korea

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269924/countries-most-affected-by-hunger-in-the-world-according-to-world-hunger-index/

The thing I found funny, and why I'm posting here, comes from observing why it was that they started their graph at 2003 and exactly at 2003.

I feel like you could use this as a slide in a little seminar in "how to curate your data until it matches your conclusion, instead of the other way around."

And also, I don't think the hunger rate suddenly dropped from epic to 0 exactly in 2003, I think more likely Our World in Data is just a little bit shoddy about their data.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah but I'm worried about why it went up in the US? I don't care about authoritarian propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

It is probably based on numbers from the North Korean government

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The astroturf bots are really trying to manufacture consent for more direct conflict with DPRK, after the Yoon/US false flag & coup attempt fell apart.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you're not reading this guy's profile, you're missing out. Search for "radiation."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I like how this guy acts like his crazy beliefs are just obvious information everyone should know

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lemmygrad is hilarious, you fell for propaganda

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You fell for clickbait. If you read it, you notice that they basically debunk the title

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Read the title, didn't read the content, then proceeded to tell everyone the click bait title is fact

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

A lot of people on Lemmy are super addicted to being the smartest person in the conversation.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

At what point did I fall for it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why has it gone up so much in the US?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

They're abusing a chart which is supposed to be configured more like this:

I think the increase in the US is probably real, maybe increasing desperation as the combination of the financial crash, opioid epidemic, and increasing rents drove people increasingly into the margins. But the size of the problem in the US is still basically 0 as in other functioning countries. I don't know for sure, but I think if accurate numbers for North Korea were on that chart, they'd be way up above South Sudan and Madagascar. At least there are aid agencies trying to do something in Africa. In North Korea, people are just dying, and that's it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65881803

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I can't believe you would doubt the reliable reporting of the People's Divine Monarchy of North Korea

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Only what they say is true, anything else about them, including from independent journalists, is propoganda

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Something else to consider, whether Cuba, DPRK, or anywhere else is the impact of sanctioning.

Edited to hopefully correct formatting

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. In addition to causing massive suffering, they often work backwards, too, strengthening the regime they're trying to weaken.

Also. In the early 60s, the list of communist countries in the world was:

  • China
  • Cuba
  • Soviet Union
  • East Germany
  • Hungary
  • Czechoslovakia
  • Poland
  • Mongolia
  • Romania
  • Albania
  • Bulgaria
  • North Korea
  • Yugoslavia
  • North Vietnam

The list of countries with State Department restrictions preventing US citizens from traveling there, with severe penalties, was:

  • China
  • Cuba
  • North Korea
  • Vietnam
  • Albania
  • Hungary

The list of countries which are still communist today is:

  • China
  • Cuba
  • North Korea
  • Vietnam

Preventing a communist country from being visited by tourists from the US, to "punish" them, is among the most effective methods ever devised for strengthening its communist government and allowing it to keep its hold on power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The list of countries which are still communist today is:

Correction: the list is actually { }. Hope that helps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I would consider those communist in the historical sense. Communism is pretty much tied to crazy authoritarian governments.

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