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TIL that malnutrition isn't an issue in North Korea (ponder.cat)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This is a weird one. Bear with me. From [email protected]:

So I said to myself, "that's a little bit weird. The US one going up, I can actually believe, but the North Korea one being lower is definitely wrong."

I think Our World In Data is just being shoddy, as they often do.

https://www.wfp.org/countries/democratic-peoples-republic-korea

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269924/countries-most-affected-by-hunger-in-the-world-according-to-world-hunger-index/

The thing I found funny, and why I'm posting here, comes from observing why it was that they started their graph at 2003 and exactly at 2003.

I feel like you could use this as a slide in a little seminar in "how to curate your data until it matches your conclusion, instead of the other way around."

And also, I don't think the hunger rate suddenly dropped from epic to 0 exactly in 2003, I think more likely Our World in Data is just a little bit shoddy about their data.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Something else to consider, whether Cuba, DPRK, or anywhere else is the impact of sanctioning.

Edited to hopefully correct formatting

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. In addition to causing massive suffering, they often work backwards, too, strengthening the regime they're trying to weaken.

Also. In the early 60s, the list of communist countries in the world was:

China
Cuba
Soviet Union
East Germany
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Poland
Mongolia
Romania
Albania
Bulgaria
North Korea
Yugoslavia
North Vietnam

The list of countries with State Department restrictions preventing US citizens from traveling there, with severe penalties, was:

China
Cuba
North Korea
Vietnam
Albania
Hungary

The list of countries which are still communist today is:

China
Cuba
North Korea
Vietnam

Preventing a communist country from being visited by tourists from the US, to "punish" them, is among the most effective methods ever devised for strengthening its communist government and allowing it to keep its hold on power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The list of countries which are still communist today is:

Correction: the list is actually { }. Hope that helps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I would consider those communist in the historical sense. Communism is pretty much tied to crazy authoritarian governments.