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“My sense is that many enterprise WordPress administrators will think twice about continuing to use the software under these circumstances,” said IDC Research Manager Michele Rosen. “It’s such a shame to watch a leader in the open source community repeatedly sabotage his own project.”

“At this point, I have real concerns about the impact of Matt Mullenweg’s words and actions on the overall image of open source software,” she added. “Even if he feels that WP Engine’s actions are unethical and the court is wrong, his actions are clearly having an impact on the WordPress ecosystem, including his own business. It seems self-destructive.”

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The American Dream - a tax-optimized portfolio of high-yield stocks, bonds and mutual funds.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's like I heard the voices of thousands of cheap businesses owners who refuse to pay for a website domain cry out .... ....and then were silenced

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Very misleading article. They're not shutting down wordpress.org, just the registration of new accounts, plugin, etc

https://wordpress.org/news/2024/12/holiday-break/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They specifically talk about this in the article. How is that misleading?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

They eventually say that, yeah. But only after first saying a bunch of other misleading stuff.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I always find it funny how WordPress somehow believes they aren't just lucky that their EXTREMELY shitty software was useful at the time. It shows how power makes people think they have value.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah, let it die already

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I have tried it out like once every decade and it's always the same hot mess and I end up making my own homegrown html mess.

Is there no other FOSS alternative?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

There are dozens, depending on what exactly you want to do.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, Docusaurus. The idea of a site for editing the site is so overkill. Docusaurus is great, just write some Markdown, convert to standard HTML. It's what I use for: https://nowsci.com/.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds like in-site editing with extra steps

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I actually use a system like that, mdbook?

You write in ml (open, modify, save), and then you have to "compile it" to static html that you then have to upload to your site.

Online editing: open site, hit some [EDIT] button, modify, hit [SAVE].

SO quite much more user friendly, lots of less steps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been looking into Payload CMS. It's FOSS for the non Enterprise features I believe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Interesting but man, their website ( https://payloadcms.com/ ) is a resource hog, it crawls 😐 not a good showcase...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I build Craft CMS sites at work. It’s a paid product, but has a free version with some minor limitations and is open source. It’s fantastic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't ghost an alternative?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Publii is a good alternative.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

TYPO3, Drupal, Joomla and others come to mind, but these are fully fledged CMS and not as end-user friendly as WordPress.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, Joomla is just Wordpres with worse documentation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

The fully-fledged WP alternative should be called WordPrint

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Every once in a while I go looking for FOSS alternates to WordPress . . .can't find one. Ghost is the closest I got and it's nowhere near the same.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

WordPress started out as a terrible hack PHP app and somehow while PHP the language has been improving to allow people to build sane apps, WordPress has somehow gone the other direction to make themselves EVEN MORE INSANE.

It used to be you could make a custom styled theme by taking the default theme and editing the HTML/CSS to customize the pages.

The current default themes use the most insane methods known to webdev. They replaced CSS with JSON files. And then use CSS embedded in JSON embedded in HTML comments inside of PHP files. It's completely incomprehensible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

The best is trying to change the styling of page-builder plugins that shove their css god-knows-where in the Frankenstein's monster that is the WordPress database schema.

I'm so glad that I'm a million miles from WordPress now. I'm convinced it's propped up entirely by contractors and ad agencies with minimal to no understanding of how to actually build software and just build on a mountain of hacks to do anything at all.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I remember trying to edit the default theme once and simply couldn't work out why everything had a 5px margin around it. Even setting * {margin: 0 !important} didn't fix it

In the end it turned out to be an inline style, injected into the page by JS, after the rest of the page had loaded. It was apparently a fix for an IE6 bug, in 2019, why?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wordpress is overpowered for most blogs, it is underpowered for most web apps.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is why I'm a Drupal fan. It's wayyyy too overpowered for every purpose equally. ...If I need a personal blog, there's always Jekyll.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Jekyll is so good

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Summary: he can't take his ball but he's going home.

Prediction: WP Engine will open hosting of plugin source projects.

And discuss.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Things like WP prove yet another time, that investing into a proper product is better, than cutting corners. If you need a website, hire an engineer. It will be yours, and you can do whatever you want with it. There are plenty of CMS options too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I run WP on a dreamhost account. I do it costing zero dollars and am an amateur (haven't really coded in 20+ years). I do it for my kid's parent teacher org. There is some value in DIY/cheap.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I was there when "The Web" became available to the drooling masses. Nothing brought me more work in digital media than "easy tools" that blow up if one screw isn't turned just right.

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