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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

...when he sang out, “I’m not part of the MAGA agenda” during his performance. The original line is, “I’m not a part of a redneck agenda.”

So you were all okay with "redneck"? Are the rednecks offended by being associated with MAGA? What would be the reaction if some country singer sang "I'm not part of the woke agenda"?

Ugh. Ya know... the reality is that news outlets, Rolling Stone in this case, need to generate attention just as much as the outraged Trump supporters. I have to wonder if us normies are suckers. Why do we fall prey to the need to comment on something so irrelevant?

Edit: So, I just listened to and read the lyrics for American Idiot (it’s been a while and I wasn’t ever all that into Green Day). I hadn’t realized how on-point my comment was. It’s literally about the media manipulating us. Man, what a great song and meta article.

Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind-fuck America

Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alienation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue

Well, maybe I'm the removed, America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody, do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've found that the language is the same on both sides. It's stupid to have sides.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately, most people have to pick a side to survive. Gay people, trans people, ethnic minorities, poor people, etc. Must all fight against fascism just to protect their very existence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Finally someone criticize fascist Trump. Our government, using it's CIA hand did their part in silencing MAGA stupids on facebook, twitter and reddit. Good that we use artists to send a message too. /s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Finally, someome has the balls to criticize Trump and his stupid followers...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He's the one who likes all our pretty songs And he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun But he don't know what it means

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That was Nirvana, you know, the band that Green Day wanted to be at the start.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You're of the opinion that the Bay-area pop-punk band wanted to be like the PNW grunge band?

Kerplunk and Bleach sound nothing alike, I think I'm misunderstanding what you meant?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't listen to Green Day, so I don't know about any of their albums' specifics. After Nirvana ended I saw Green Day first on a late night talk show, and they came out and played the same style of music that Nirvana made popular, with a similar stage presence and style. That's when I assumed they wanted to be Nirvana.

Later they changed into modern Green Day that is completely different than what they were at the start.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What composed the "style of music" that you feel Nirvana made popular that Green Day was imitating? Music with guitars and distortion?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Specific chord structures and rhythms actually. If you knew much about guitar you could see the similarities in their early stuff and Nirvana's popular songs. Overall the same punk-grunge style basically.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“I don’t actually know anything about music but I saw a talk show once in the 90s”

lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah he's just an old dude that trolls, but he's an actual troll, so it's not like he's doing it to be a dink for karma, he's just really insufferable as a person. He migrated over from Reddit where he did the same thing there.

The amount of hours this guy has invested across Lemmy and Reddit is insane, so, at some point, you just have to respect the dedication and interact with him at your leisure. At least, that's what I do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Really, you must be very interested in my comments then. What's my Reddit handle, since you know so much?

You must really not like all the things that I'm right about, have you seen a therapist about your cognitive dissonance problems?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well if you want to talk about me, and are not brave enough to back it up, then you can have a block. Good riddance to the unworthy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ya, not even the same genre. If you don't like the music just say that instead of comparing them to someone else that you do like

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

They didn't even have the courage to say they don't like Green Day (I'm not a huge fan myself), all they did was show their knowledge of music is paltry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's okay. They can still sing "Born in the USA" because that song is super-patriotic and not critical of America at all.

Oh, wait....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man, I liked all these bands before they got all political!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rage Against the Washing Machine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I still don't get it. Rage was always political and they never hid it. I can still remember on their first website having a detailed FAQ on exactly what type of communist each band member identified with. Also they were putting stuff out in the CD era when you would literally get a slip of paper that showed you the lyrics. So it couldn't have been that they didn't know what the songs were about.

What part was confusing? You can have all the debates you want about communism and about music's role in politics but there is no debate at all exactly what these guys stood for. It was a known product. How was anyone for a second confused that a band screaming about class warfare is leftwing? Those twats must have been lying about how they felt betrayed. It is "I am shocked shocked there is gambling going on here" on roids.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

when you would literally get a slip of paper that showed you the lyrics.

Insert "If Those Kids Could Read, They'd Be Very Upset" meme here.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tangential point but I do wonder how much of an effect Taylor Swift will have on voter turnout this year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

MAGA already tried to cancel her and failed when she encouraged people to vote. Imagine if she actually endorsed a candidate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if she was a candidate

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know what... Why not? It's no worse than MAGAts voting for Trump because "all the current politicians are corrupt, so let's vote for a non politician" and Taylor has an arguably better business acumen than Trump. As far as I know, she hasn't bankrupted any of her own businesses nor has she defrauded a charity bearing her name.

But I question her ability to make the difficult life or death decisions associated with the presidency. Armed conflict is a simple reality of the world today.

So who would be her running mate?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Dolly Parton could shave off a good number of southern votes from the Republicans, not even joking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

What "Machine" did you think he was raging against? The dishwasher?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"As far as i’m concerned you and Pink are completely done."

I know the article calls this out too but WHAT!? I mean, good for this guy for having diverse tastes in music, but Pink went full pop basically in her second album. (If I recall correctly, it was a long time ago and I'm not a huge Pink fan). But Pink has never hidden her tendency towards activism.

And not to gatekeep, I get that people enjoy music for different reasons, but it just seems odd that someone would actually be a fan of Rage Against the Machine and expect anything less. And again, the guy acknowledges Rage's political activist nature in the article, but now it's apparently too much since he no longer agrees with their message. That sure sounds like "cancel culture" to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, the tendency of right wingers to define themselves as oppressed victims seems to add to them regularly identifying with left perspectives for all the wrong reasons.

Another very weird example if this was a young female nationalist and xenophobe from Germany, who unironically covered the radical anti colonialist Get Up, Stand Up by Bob Marley and The Wailers, in a cringe af YouTube video. Before anyone asks, I sadly was not able to find it anymore, otherwise I would have posted a link for your amusement of course.

Then there was also the teenage anti-vaxxer, who held a speech at a protest organized by the Querdenker movement (german localization of QAnon) and seriously compared herself to Anne Frank during WWII, because she illegally held her birthday party in secret during the covid lockdown. You can´t make this shit up ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Did they expect Green Day to be pro-fascism?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

oH My GoD ThEy sHoUlDnT Be PolitIcaL like ThaT!

Hey maga people, remember when you were really concerned about free speech and people being canceled for “just voicing their opinion”?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

When idiots realize American Idiot is actually about them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Also when the same crowd got super butthurt at Rage Against The Machine because they “got political”. What the fuck sort of machine did those idiots think the band is raging against..?

Critical thinking definitely isn’t a strong suit of the right wing base voters.