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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The government owned postal service did that where I live. They went from deliveries every weekday to every other weekday, so some weeks you get post twice and some thrice.

It works pretty well and I haven't really noticed any negatives. First class parcels and express mail are still delivered every weekday. Normal letters get delayed slightly but that doesn't really matter because you rarely get mail anyways and it's never that time critical.

The only mail that most get are from government agencies and you can get that delivered digitally nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Canadian here - sorry if I don't know exactly how it works on your side of the pond.. but isn't your national post serving an important competitive function, keeping other (fully private) mailing and courrier services in the pricing ballpark?

If it reduces the quality of service, it won't suddenly reduce the need to receive stuff by mail (particularly in this new Amazon world), and private companies would fill the void - at the consumer's expense, no?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

but isn't your national post serving an important competitive function, keeping other (fully private) mailing and courrier services in the pricing ballpark?

private companies would fill the void - at the consumer's expense, no?

Royal Mail is fully private; no part of it is nationally owned.

It was sold off on the cheap a decade ago (while it was still profitable) with a major "caveat emptor" stipulation that the universal service obligation would remain as it was.

The private owners have since hived off the profitable parcel delivery arm (GLS) into a legally distinct entity, and have started whinging that the now isolated letter delivery business is unprofitable without degrading the service obligation.

It's a cynical move.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So for most people royal mail is not particularly competitive for parcels.

They're great for letters, and if you live somewhere that's hard to get to they are often the only option for parcels. But for most people, most deliveries from Amazon etc won't come via them. Instead they'll come via much cheaper and crappier private companies.

That's for two reasons. 1. Because royal mail has to deliver everywhere for a similar price, the prices for easy destinations are more expensive and subsidize people living in hard to reach locations. 2. They pay their staff an actual salary rather than per package delivered.

So you have a parcel operation that can't make money because it is stuck with uniform pricing across the country, and a letter business which used to make money but is slowly dying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I hate to be a bore, and regurgitate the same "leftie" discourse that gets repeated a lot online, but:

Royal Mail would become “financially and operationally unsustainable in the long term”

This is because Royal Mail has become private and is now required to become profitable / increase it's value over time. Which is nonsense. It should be a public service funded by a mix of direct payment (e.g. stamps) and taxation.

If continuing to run six days per week, as the are currently obliged to, has become unsustainable then perhaps it is time it returns to public ownership.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Yeah nationalise it and send the executives to prison imo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Do people actually need to receive post six days a week?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Surely once a week should be enough.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you mad? It's not that you need service 6 days a week it's that you need access to the service 6 days a week.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They're only asking a question, no need to call them "mad' for that. You could have explained your point without that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's like asking why they run trains every day because you personally don't use the train any day other than on Wednesdays. It smacks of main character syndrome.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No.

It would be like asking why do people need a train every ten minutes Vs half an hour on an otherwise quiet route when putting it on every ten minutes is costing way too much money.

It smacks of main character syndrome.

I'm sorry, but is it not possible to ask a simple question without people resorting to insults. Even if they're wrong in their assumptions you could have just said that rather than calling them "mad".

I just don't understand why you feel the need to be aggressive and name calling about it 🤷.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Too much money" is subjective. A train running every 10 minutes means it is convenient for everyone because if they are a couple minutes late they can catch the next one while every half hour means missing one is extremely inconvenient. Shared costs make convenience affordable for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then we should have trains every 30 seconds and postal deliveries twice a day seven days a week and everyone should share the cost of this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you know how much roads cost? We should just tear up 2/3 of roads to reduce maintenance costs just like with removing 2/3 of public transit since roads are too expensive. Roads aren't even profitable!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wait how has a comment about trying not to be rude to someone online ended up in a pile on from you lot? At this point I don't even know what you're looking to get out of this. I'm sorry I've upset you so much.

Have a nice rest your day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was hoping you would realize how illogical your take on scheduling was, but clearly that isn't going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In case you hadn't realised that comment was dripping in sarcasm, but that's fine. Have a great day 😊.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you should have gone more over the top and not doubled down for multiple comments after if you intended it to be sarcastic. Parroting the actual talking points of conservatives is guaranteed to trigger Poe's Law.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Mate, no one is parroting anything. Please stop seeing endless divisions where there isn't.

It's it to much to ask to have a cordial conversation?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I was pooping 💩

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

No, but people need to send and receive next day 6 times a week

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Royal Mail could save up to £650m if it delivered letters just three days a week and £200m by stopping Saturday deliveries, the communications regulator has said.

In a much-anticipated review, Ofcom laid out a series of options for the future of the universal service obligation (USO), which requires Royal Mail to deliver nationwide, six days a week, for a fixed price.

The regulator began gathering evidence to show how the future of the service may be reformed to better suit consumers’ needs last year, amid a long-term decline in letter volumes and a surge in the number of parcels sent as online shopping has grown.

Ofcom said there was an increasing risk that Royal Mail would become “financially and operationally unsustainable in the long term”, given the cost of delivering the USO.

It has conducted consumer research and modelled Royal Mail’s finances in the review, and will seek views with a further update planned later this year.

Melanie Dawes, the chief executive of Ofcom, said: “Postal workers are part of the fabric of our society and are critical to communities up and down the country.


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