this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2024
517 points (91.4% liked)

Showerthoughts

29692 readers
1169 users here now

A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. A showerthought should offer a unique perspective on an ordinary part of life.

Rules

  1. All posts must be showerthoughts
  2. The entire showerthought must be in the title
  3. Avoid politics
    1. NEW RULE as of 5 Nov 2024, trying it out
    2. Political posts often end up being circle jerks (not offering unique perspective) or enflaming (too much work for mods).
    3. Try c/politicaldiscussion, volunteer as a mod here, or start your own community.
  4. Posts must be original/unique
  5. Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct-----

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The static on old CRT TVs with rabbit ears was the cosmic microwave background. No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Maybe not directly on their TV set, but there are more than enough references to it in TV and film media that it's still known almost universally.

Everything from old beloved films to Modern period shows. Its literally an overused way to establish the narrative isnt taking place in the present.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Tube TV's remained in common service well into the 2010's. The changeover from analog to fully digital TV transmission did not happen until 2009, with many delays in between, and the government ultimately had to give away digital-to-analog tuner boxes because so many people still refused to let go of their old CRT's.

Millions of analog TV's are still languishing in basements and attics in perfect working order to this very day, still able to show you the cosmic background, if only anyone would dust them off or plug them in. Or in many retro gaming nerds' setups. I have one, and it'll show me static any time I ask. (I used it to make this gif, for instance.)

In fact, with no one transmitting analog television anymore (probably with some very low scale hobbyist exceptions), the cosmic background radiation is all they can show you now if you're not inputting video from some other device. Or unless you have one of those dopey models that detects a no-signal situation and shows a blue screen instead. Those are lame.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago

Dude I was born after 2000 and this is firmly planted in my memories. Maybe people born after 2010 haven't but 2000?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago

"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." - William Gibson, Neuromancer

Gibson describes the static as metallic, silvery gray in an interview.

"The sky was the perfect untroubled blue of a television screen, tuned to a dead channel." - Neil Gaiman, Neverwhere

I remember the white static myself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

My grandpa always just called it "The ant races"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

I saw on 'how it's made' a conveyer belt of a bunch of apples and it reminded me of the TV static the way they all rolled around forming random structures like a crystal. From then on I always think of apples on a conveyerbelt when I see static.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I was born after 2000 (though not too long after) and this is actually one of my core memories. I think about the sounds of the static and the sound of the CRT turning off all the time.

Also, we had a really old tv in our basement till at least 2008 that had no remote, just knobs and I remember messsing with the “hue” dial all the time trying to figure out how it worked.

The only reason that tv worked so late is that we had a black box connected to the antenna which I later learned was converting the digital signal to analog for the TV.

Also, you’ve just reminded me that I remember the switch from analog to digital. Specifically, I remember watching Elmo talking with some adult on TV about the change. Now I really want to find that video. I think the guy was wearing a suit had short dark hair and glasses. I also think the background was pinkish purple. I want to know how accurate my memories from so long ago are. (I’ll add the link to the video in an edit if I can find it)

Edit: I cannot find the video :(

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Opening line of Neuromancer doesn't make much sense any more "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago

"The sky above the port was blue, with a grey rectangular box with writing saying 'No signal found.'"

[–] [email protected] 36 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It is entirely possible for people born after 2000 to have grown up with CRTs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It is, but those late model CRTs often had a lot of digital circuitry that displayed a solid color on channels with nothing on them. Unless there was a much older CRT around, they never would have seen it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

Most of the CRTs are going to be older

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not background, that's a free channel that showcases a polar bear in a snowstorm.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

The ant races

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was born in the 90s, my brothers were born in the early 2000s. We had a CRT into the early 2010s . Maybe people who weren't poor haven't seen real TV static but even then I doubt it. Hell, remember those god awful "flat screen" CRTs? My old station still had one of those that we used to watch TV on in 2018-19. It's probably still there lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Yep, my family had a CRT that we used until sometime around 2015.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I actually liked the flat screen crts. I have a 1080p flatscreen crt and I love it. Can’t use it though because I’m scared my kids will get crushed by it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

When I was growing up the cat used to interact with the TV. It was on the floor for a while so it was fun.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I have seen this on a much newer TV last year. It didnt just disappear

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Movies depicting this haven't vanished from existence though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The trope of video/audio breaking down into static is an easy shorthand that is unlikely to be forgotten, probably even well after all the devices capable of doing so have long since been buried in the landfill.

It's especially hilarious in media depicting the far-flung future, where apparently all technologically advanced space men and their communications devices -- not to mention high powered central supercomputers and so on and so forth -- somehow still work over NTSC television signals. Even by the early 1980's it should have been entirely predictable that in "the future" anything like that would be digital, considering we already had widespread digital audio media (CD's), and digital video was already making inroads into the computing industry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

or a new smaller tv sitting on top of the old, wood frame tv as a stand now

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had a CRT as our family's main TV until 2017

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

A high end CRT is a solid choice and was hard to replicate until recently.

Part of me wishes they still made them.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

I bought a plasma in 2009 that would show static if I turned it to cable channels without cable plugged in. Plasmas were susceptible to burn in and since I would game a lot I could see health bars etc start to burn in after a while. Whenever that would happen I would turn it to the static screen - making each pixel flip from one end of the spectrum to the other rapidly like that would actually help remove the burn in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I have an old mini tv(the kind that took C cell batteries) that can still pickup the good ol CMB!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

CRTs were fairly common until the early-mid 10s

I'd say born after 2008ish aren't likely to be familiar with them, except seeing the odd one in their grandparents bedroom

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Hair stands up

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

You can still hear it on the radio. Although most of the noise floor is probably man made.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On a CRT? Sure, probably a lot haven't seen it. On a modern TV? Still possible for some - mine does this if I hit the channel button rather than volume accidentally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depending on the TV it's likely simulated noise at this point

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That noise is horrible; why would someone simulate it rather than just show a blue screen?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am doubting myself now after not being able to quickly find a verified source but I've worked with lots of smart TVs and seem to recall Samsung or LG models using this simulated effect. It would have had to have been simulated since there was no signal coming in, and I recall the pattern being noticably pseudo random.

As for why: I have no idea! Maybe just for user familiarity reasons, since a lot of people grew up with that kind of analog feedback that the antenna wasn't getting a signal.

Take what I said with a grain of salt, though, since like I said I wasn't able to quickly verify it. It's a vivid but ambiguous memory, though, since I also thought it was strange

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

As for why: I have no idea! Maybe just for user familiarity reasons, since a lot of people grew up with that kind of analog feedback that the antenna wasn’t getting a signal.

This is exactly why. Preventing screen burn-in may be a tiny peripheral reason also, but providing a familiar experience to chronically myopic and cranky users (i.e. boomers) is probably the bigger one.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›