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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house?

A recent YouGov survey asked Americans what they think they should be able to get to within a 15-minute walk of their house.

Of these choices, I can currently walk to all of them from my apartment, aside from a university (no biggie, I'm not currently studying, although there is a Tafe within walking distance), a hospital, and a sports arena.

How many can you get to with a 15 minute walk from your house?

#fuckcars #walkability #urbanism #UrbanPlanning @fuck_cars #walking

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

My 15-min walk list:

  1. restaurants/bars/cafes
  2. grocery store
  3. some kind of tech store, like Microcenter but smaller with less items because you wouldn’t want a big ass Microcenter near you
  4. a park/open air theater or amphitheater
  5. gym options (Pilates, yoga, weights etc)
  6. pharmacy
  7. day care
  8. some clothing stores
  9. hairdresser/barber/nails
  10. bus/train stop

I sincerely disagree that post offices and banks near to be within walking distance when we have mailboxes and online banking. Also, I’d like to be able to drive my car out with ease to get to other cities or states if needed. I assume 15min city urban planning accounts for the desire to long distance travel at will.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars There's a couple of weird things missing there I would definitely include, like a doctor's office, a library and a gym.

I'm in a city in the UK and a lot of those are in 15 minutes walk from me. A hospital, university, shopping mall and sports arena and I think a bank I'd have to go into the city centre for, but that's only about 30 minutes walk, 10 minutes on the bike, or a short bus or metro ride. I'm generally pretty lucky in my location.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars we've been in coburg and although a few bits of gentrification are getring toe-holds it feels like it hasn't changed much in 50 years. surprised to see bar ranked so low - definitely best to have within walking distance.

we can get to everything except hospital (though there are plans to build one in the next decade or so), sports arena (plenty of pitches around), university, and gas/petrol station (should have one this year or next).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gas station above elementary school?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

What's the point in being able to walk to a gas station anyway?

I don't think I've ever done that in the 30 years or so that I've visited them.

But don't walk to the bar. You definitely want to drive there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Most gas stations also serve as small shops. I can understand the desire to have one nearby when you don't have the language to describe a bodega or corner store.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I'm probably like a 5 minute walk, so I make the trip to my gas station mainly for drunk munches or to re-up alcohol. Mainly the 7-11 part of the gas station.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I would love this being contrasted with what they get on average, it would probably really depressing.

It's interesting, walking 15 minutes to the next bus stop sounds like a nightmare in a city but pretty good in the country ...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I'm gonna make a few assumptions: One is that this is just a neighborhood in my hypohetical ideal world (or rather, near-ideal). Second: we're talking about high qualiy versions of these places, and not the "just barely good enough to not go under" versions that abound. Last: "should" means "necessity" and not "luxury."

Groceries are a no-brainer.

Parks — hell yes. In fact, I'd prefer if everyone had access to all kinds of nature within "walking" (walking + public transportation) distance: parks, woods, botanical gardens, community gardens, wildlife reserves.

Pharmacies should be obsoleted: drugs should be devriminalized and un-gatekept. People should have the freedom to put whatever stupid, life-altering substance they want to into their body (with caveats like informed consent and heavily recommended medical professional supervision). Distributors could be home-delivery through the post and the over-the-counter section in your local grocery store.

Bus stops... Yes for some neighborhoods, but ideally more trains or trams, especially in suburbs.

Post offices are dying out. Letters and spam are the kinds of things people should have access to in their immediate neighborhood, but are becoming obsolete thanks to the internet (which should be a public utility instead of run for profit). I'm about 50/50 on whether there should still be home-delivery for everyone and all packages, or if there should be local holding centers for most (although, once again, any delivery network should be considered a public service instead of a few companies monopolizing the role), and at-home delivery for the most important packages/incapacitated people.

Banks are a no. Credit union, yes. Or maybe no and just let money become the digital currency it's slowly been turning intobfor the past 40 years. Ideally, society (and by extension this ideal neighborhood) would function without capital.

Gas stations: hell no. Convenience stores yes (or just all-in-one grocery stores). Maybe EV charging stations... Maybe.

Having a barber is way more convenient than people give it credit, and it doesn't benefit from centralization. At the very least, everyone should have a neighbor who cuts hair well.

Bonus round: things that should be within a 30-minute commute (by transit)—mall, movie theater, hospital, elementary school, day care, university, restaurants, bars.

No to stadiums, but yes to sports fields in the parks.

Things not on the list that should be: museums, clinics, dentists, optometrists, psychiatrists, veterinarians, pools, gyms, community centers/general use indoor halls, fire stations, makers spaces... probably others that I'm forgetting.

Sorry that this 15 minute walk is turning into a jog.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

drugs should be devriminalized and un-gatekept. ... over-the-counter section in your local grocery store

"Hello. A sack of potatoes and a kilo of meth please!"

"Here you go. A healthy breakfast!"

"Nah I just like peeling potatoes when I'm on meth"

PS: BTW banks in Europe are kind of regulated to be "social banks" for customers, you have a right to a bank account and free cards and you can take out your electronically wired money for free from the machine. That's what a bank should be imho.

PPS: Good assumptions, it's really important that they work as public utility and optimized for social benefit than profit.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I'm in one of the less walkable, more car centric cities, but have made a lifelong effort to live where I can walk to things and have a few bus routes nearby. The buses have been starved and some come only every hour now but I can walk to:

Work

Cafe

Corner store

Bank (but I bank online)

Doctor and dentist (dentist more like half hour walk but sidewalk all the way) also every specialist doctor

A pot dispensary

Drugstore

Several restaurants

And believe it or not, a stadium.

No bar :(

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Surprised shooting ranges aren't on this list.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

What do you mean? Elementary school is on there

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't reach any of the above in 15 minutes. In fact I can't reach anything in 15 minutes as it takes me 5 to just reach the gate - very rural middle of nowhere, population 50, with a single road and some street lamps as the infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Sounds like something you should think about when trying to "get away from it all".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Every American should have a major league stadium within a 15 minute walk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I live in a city of about 3/4 of million people, just shy of it. Winnipeg Manitoba Canada.

I can walk to every one of those other than a university and sports arena (pro football or hockey, minor community center within ten), within twenty minutes. The movie theater is probably twenty away, everything else is accessible within 15 pretty easy.

It's possible but you gotta get into one of those post war community type places that hasn't been turned over yet..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Shopping mall is the only one on the list I can't walk to in 15 min or less. Love living in a walkable city, it's so rare in America these days.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Missing a gym, physio, and doctors clinic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

And a library

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Need a proper public house

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Have everything except university and sports arena. But for me it makes sense being in the NJ/NYC metro area.

Bar should be way higher on that list. Seems a lot of people haven't experienced the freedom of being able to walk home drunk from a bar, or at least take a subway/bus, without worrying about dealing with a car. Or worse relying on the friend who had a few beers but is still "good" to drive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Pretty bizarre results. Park and bus stop should be 100.

University, hospital, mall, theatre, arena? Those are massive, you can't have one 15 minute walk from everywhere.

Now bars are the one commercial item that's easy to have around.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Now bars are the one commercial item that’s easy to have around.

Yeah, it's not a necessity, but also not a big resource usage. I got like 3 in a 15 minute walk of my place, and it's not even all that dense of a neighborhood.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Who needs a gas station within walking distance? One need a gas station within 15-minutes driving.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They double as 24/7 corner stores, at least here in Europe, so it makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Sure, but "grocery store" is already on the list - so I feel that's covered.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Grocery stores aren't open at night. Also, it's usually a lot faster to get stuff from a convenience store than a grocery store. If all you need is some snacks or toilet paper, it's nice to have a way to quickly get that done.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'm in Europe as well and I have gas stations that double as corner stores but also standalone corner stores so it doesn't make so much sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Gas station beer runs after the liquor store are closed would like to have a word

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I walk to the petrol station to fill up my lawnmower can. Other people might to buy overpriced snack food

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I didn't think of that. But anyway I'm anticar and antilawn so...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

There are lawn alternatives that still need some forms of mowing. I have clover but mow it back a couple times a season.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Living in rural US I sadly don't have any of those within walking distance. Some would take over an hour walk, and most are not even accessible to walk. A decent bike ride can get me to a few, but I hate riding on country roads. Far too many people get hit around here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

All but 4, I can get to. University, theatre, sports arena, and shopping mall.

Although those four are a 5-10 minute Uber

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