@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I can get to a gas station.
OK, maybe to a park if you don't require it to have playground equipment ๐
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@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I can get to a gas station.
OK, maybe to a park if you don't require it to have playground equipment ๐
Imagine if that gas station โฝ could also be a kindergarten ๐! Your neighborhood would totally rock!
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars if I make it a 20 min radius, then it's everything except sports arena and university, and there are multiples of both not much further than that.
If I keep it strictly to 15 mins, all I lose is the shopping mall and movie theatre.
I live where I live very much because I can have a walkable (slash cyclable slash public transportable) life.
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And the amount of grocery stores i can reach within a 15 minutes walk must be at least 80, easily.
This town is still structured around small family businesses.
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@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I also don't get A Bar being so low. The bar is exactly the place I WANT people to be walking to instead of driving. Perhaps this is just a limitation of the polling method; these responses are mostly just gut reactions, not carefully considered positions.
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars Of those:
* A bus stop
* A restaurant
* Maybe a park, I haven't timed it?
There's also a convenience store (with no associated gas station), which while expensive has proven handy in emergencies.
I want to know why people want a gas station at a15 min waking distance. Are they going to push their cars from home?
The fact that only 68% of respondents say a bus stop should be within a 15 minute walk of your house and only 32% say a bar says a lot about the SEC and age of the sample pool.
I dont even want neighbors within a 15 minute walk of my house, why would i want a cities worth of foot traffic going by my house every 15 minutes?
To each their own but ideally so that you don't have to drive everywhere. So that meeting your neighbors isn't so rare, and you can build community trust. So that you don't have to buy everything in big huge amounts so you don't have to make a big trip. So that the young and the elderly can get around without assistance or endangering others. So that common areas can grow and give your community a unique identity.
Basically less cars/road infrastructure and building community trust. Though, and you'll probably mention it, it would take way more than a walkable neighborhood to fix these things. I mean if you don't even want to know your neighbors this would be hell for you. While I appreciate the idea of communal spaces, there is a lot to be said for independent space as well.
Do people really use the post office or bank that often? If I'm walking into either of those, odds are something has gone catastrophically wrong that day.
And you're not wondering about the hospital and the university? Hmmm.
A nearby post office is nice because they can leave your packages there when you miss the delivery. I agree on banks though. Just give me ATMs for those rare occasions where I need cash.
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars At the corner of my road, I have:
- Bakery (that took over the shops left and right because they kept winning awards)
- Pharmacy
- Post Office
- Women's Hairdresser
- Pizza, Chinese and Indian
- GP (although always booked out)
- Petrol Station chain which sells marked-up cornerstore stuff, don't get milk there it's 6 bucks
I'm in the UK. I have all except a hospital, movie theatre, university, and sports arena within a 15 min walk of my house. I live in a suburb in a large city (not London).
I can get to a hospital, movie theatre, and a university within 20 mins on a bus. I can get to 3 sports areas in about 30-40 mins on a bus in different directions.
My area is not a 15-min city, but is moving that way. My own street has been split up and blocked to through traffic (which I love), and there is proposal for a pollution tax to dissuade polluting traffic in the city.
But at the moment I cannot realistically commute to work as the public transport capacity is just too low to make it comfortable and safe (I work early and late hours).
I think the concept is great but I suspect they need most of the elements to be in place before they can achieve critical mass and change behaviour. Certainly for me I'm still doing a lot of driving.
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars the only ones that are out of my reach by walking 15 mins are a bank, sports arena (I have many recreational pitches and fields around) and a mall. But they are not that far anyway.
There's some nuance to this: where I live there is a microcosm of sorts because of how big the city where I live is, so I CAN find all of this in my area but in many other places in the same city you couldn't get to half of the stuff listed there.
I can reach everything on that list in 15mins by foot except for a sports arena and a hospital.
Groceries, (crappy) park, pharmacy, 2 bus stops, light rail stop serving three lines, at least 15 restaurants/food carts, a bank, a gas station (and a standalone convenience store), a hospital, a barber shop, and a few bars.
For the missing, good transit access fills in the gaps mostly:
There are two exceptions:
Who are these people that responded "No, no I would not like a park or bank or gas station less than 15 minutes from my house!" ?
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars Aw, c'mon! You have to have at least one pub or something to call it a neighbourhood. Sheesh!
the only ones i don't have within 15 min walk from me
I do have a local GP within that distance though so i'm fine with not having a hospital within walking distance. Plus there is a hospital not too far away, just not within 15 mins.
I have a college about 25 mins walk away too
I live in the centre of a large british town though so having everything on my doorstep is kind of expected
Most things I have nearby too but you have a sports arena (stadium or similar) in walking distance?