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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I sort of see the appeal of having kids, but I can barely keep things together for myself. There's no way I can support myself and kids. Even with my boyfriends income and mine, it's just not realistic.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is the key behind the fertility crisis of first world countries. SHITS TOO EXPENSIVE. A house is 10 years worth of income, college like 3 years worth, a car (which needs to be replaced every 5-10 years) around a years worth, plus food, bills, taxes and all of this other shit makes it impossible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Yearly childcare is a years worth of income in plenty of places, so there's that too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I wish we had. I'm regretting it more as I get older.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What's the source of the regret? I just turned 30, and am still undecided.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see what my friends have with their kids and grandkids now, and really wish I had people that care for me that much. Honestly, it's kinda gotten to where I don't want to go to events because it just reminds me of how that chance is lost now.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It sucks. I don’t have children because I’m barely functional. Can barely keep a roof over my own head, let alone maintain a romantic relationship.

I’ve wanted kids for a long time, but the only relationship that showed promise of that ended with a bunch of cheating and abuse. I eventually realized even if I was willing to put up with it, I couldn’t subject my kids to having her as a mother.

So I’m going on 42 and don’t know if I’m gonna make it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

I'm in way over my head as it is. I can't even imagine what it would be like having to be responsible for some gremlins, as well. We do not even dare get a cat (or two - you should always get two so they're not lonely) for the same reason. Good thing my SO sees it exactly the same way. We're both glad we didn't have children.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

I love it but even in high school, I knew I didn’t want kids. People told me seeing my friends have kids would cause me to change my mind but it only reinforced my preference. Having kids is a huge amount of work and commitment (not to mention the expense). I love to travel and I’ve been able to go to places and do things you can’t (or just wouldn’t want to) do with kids. I also like that I was able to take risks with my career. It’s much easier to start a business or join an early stage company or whatever if you don’t need the stability kids need.

So, for me, it’s amazing. I feel for people who want kids but never had them, though. I know a few and they’re happy — freedom is a nice consolation prize — but it wasn’t their dream.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

It’s good. Don’t have to worry about paying for any of it.

Elementary school

Middle school

High school

College

Helping out after they finish college and haven’t found a job

All the stuff during the summer

Not having to hear “ but why?!” Every ten seconds

Not having to worry about how they’ll survive in this fucked up world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Ask again in a decade and some. Me and my gf really do not want kids

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Hopefully no different from life now.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's awesome. Sure, I have moments in life that suck regardless, but in those moments I always think to myself "Wow, this would be even worse if I had kids."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

In my mid 30's. Find myself thinking the same. Also when I'm feeling great it's "there's no way i could be enjoying this if i had to worry about kids"

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Amazing. I'm not willing to exercise the permanent sacrifices that having kids entails.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just turned 50. Was childless by choice. But I Got custody of my 12 year old niece two years ago. (Very small family and There was no one else to take her.). I love her but I do miss my adult freedom.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

My condolences on losing your sibling. Wonderful of you to take her in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Fine. Sometimes sad. I dated someone with a kid for a while and the good parts were good. But now I'm old so it's kind of moot.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wanted kids when I was younger, but wasn't ready to give up my freedom. Once I was ready for kids the world (and the future in particular) looks so bleak that it doesn't seem fair to the theoretical kiddo to say 'hey, here's a dumpster fire - good luck'. Instead I babysit for my friends and family, spoil the kids around me, and sleep in on the weekend. I also have more time for activism and trying to ensure a brighter future for kiddos.

No regrets.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

This is amazing!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly it kind of sucks.

I always wanted a kid but it requires a partner who is able to be a parent and I have never had such a partner.

I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I wanted someone who could be a good mother to a child and everyone I've dated who had the ability to be a good mother was not capable of giving birth for one reason or another and everyone I've dated who's capable of giving birth was not capable of being a good mother for one reason or another.

I know it's not too late for me but it's getting pretty damn close.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Adoption could be an alternative maybe

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I have a big chosen family, including people who feel like children, and even grandchildren. I don't believe that a blood relation would make that any richer an experience for me.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Good, made a decision decades ago to have a vasectomy as there are way to many people in the world and misquoting Thoreau, what use a kid if no livable planet to raise them on ?

I always felt if the need to be a parent overwhelmed, I could adopt any number of abandoned kids.

I like kids but I'd fell way to guilty about having any. Not having them also let me retire at 35 and pursue my own interests, I'm now 58.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Joyful, peaceful, content, fulfilled, educated, energetic, with a diverse set of wonderful friends, and a fun, flexible lifestyle. I retired early and wake up every day (whenever I feel like waking up) in a place I love. I laugh a lot and have a close “chosen family” who always has each other’s back. I wouldn’t trade it for the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I read your first sentence and after reading it I thought to myself this person sounds like they are wealthy.

Then read your second sentence which indicates you are wealthy.

I suspect that with children you would be happy also, if you are wealthy. Money really does make a difference.

But who can say?

Anyway, it sounds like things are good for you, so that's great.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I was not born into wealth, and put myself through college on scholarships. The only reason I’m “wealthy” is because I’ve lived very frugally (and still do), and chose not to have kids. I’m not denying that I’ve had some advantages, and certainly those born into the current economy have it tougher, but overall I’ve eaten a hell of a lot of lentils, don’t subscribe to any streaming services, am not much of a consumer, and enjoy the simple things in life. Obviously not an exhaustive list, but stuff like that. It’s not for everyone, but I’m deeply content and fulfilled.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You could really ask this question of anyone about anything. There will always be substantial differences between one person's life and another. Having had children doesn't necessarily denote that difference, even less so for men as some fathers don't stick around and instead go live their own lives seemingly uninterrupted.

But think of how many things people sink great amounts of time and effort into; gambling, becoming a practicing doctor, hedge fund trading, starting a charity, programming... Those people will probably all have large amounts of time devoted to those things.

Of course there'll be many things that don't compare, and some that do... Then you must also factor in that it's a trauma for some people. Some people end up not liking their children, kicking them out, disconnecting.

Human nature is hugely variable. What's it like being a good person? What's it like being rich? What's it like being homeless and a drug addict? What's ut like being happy? What's it like in prison? What's it like as mayor? Or psychiatrist? Or teacher?

What's it like not like doing any of the things mentioned here? Well, that question, your post, is really about you, isn't it? It's about you asking others "what would my life be if I didn't, or don't have kids?"

So, why are you asking?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Because it's not a bad thing to ask another person about their experiences in life. And putting it within the context of a particular life choice adds a layer of focus to the conversation.

Given your logic, no one should ever ask anyone else any question about their personal experiences other than to retrieve information.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Seriously like the most obvious fucking life hack.

Also, it's generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it. Like I could take all of the collective time people have spent trying to give me unsolicited input on some other random topic, and it wouldn't even add up to a tenth of the time I've spent on the "why don't you want kids?" Conversation. I'm sorry but that's sus as fuck. Like some actual brain slug shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a parent, I couldn't give two shits if you don't have kids. Not gonna convince you. It's your story not mine.

You're also not going to convince me I made a poor decision.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

it’s generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it

My theory is that (volontary) childless people are less predictable to others. If you only have to take care of yourself, you need less resources (read: money) for that. An employer that knows his employee has children to care for can be treated worse in terms of working conditions and salary/ wages, because the employer knows that this employee can't afford to quit the job, because of the responsibility for the child(ren).

If an emloyee is known to have no children, it makes him unpredictable. He could get up after a good yelling at the workplace, say "fuck it" and leave. He only has to take care for himself. Also, that employee can accumulate more money since it has not to be spent on the needs of children. That means, the employee has a bigger and longer lasting financial cushion.

Something similar applies when credits/ loans have to be paid. Having debt is a considered a "good" thing, since people are less prone to quit their jobs. On a personal level, the goal should be to become debt free as soon as possible. Not only it will result in financial freedom, it will also enhance your "fuck-it-ablilty".

Another theory for those convincing people is that they envy your lifestyle of tranquility and spontaneousness. These people have been bullied into having children by their peer groups, because "that is the thing to do", and "you owe grandchildren". There are so many parents out there who would be better off if they never had children, but their relatives had convinced them otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

For some people, having children is their only life accomplishment, so they perceive other people's choices as an "attack" on their sense of identity, which makes it feel personal, to them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Another theory is that people with children want you to have some, too, because they have no other topics available for discussion.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

Feels like the best decision I ever made.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 months ago

Pretty great. I have money and free time.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago
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