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Greetings, I am asking whether Linux has helped your family or not going from Windows to a friendly distribution that caters to young or elderly.

How was your experience with helping relatives or your kids with Linux? Was it because of an older spec machine? Costs etc?

I helped get my grandmother (dad's side) to move from windows 8.1 to Linux Mint which so far has been good, she only really browses and required some basic budgeting apps.

This was on something like an older core i3 or i5 but I didn't hear that many problems apart from getting drivers for her Epson printer to work.

So how has it been for you?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I've been trying to convince my wife to dump Windows for years, and her question is always the same, "will I still have MS Outlook? No? Then I don't want it". Her Windows 10 computer is 9 years old, has never been re-installed and it's slower than a freaking tired snail...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I cannot imagine someone staying in windows for outlook...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Moved my sister to Ubuntu a while ago aside from the occasional support call everything works quite well.

As for my mom, I sat her down way back and told her she needed to move off of Windows XP (support was running out). I explained to her that she could learn Windows 7 and eventually 10 (8 was already a known dud by then) or she could switch to a "Traditional" desktop paradigm that resembled XP closely where she'd only had to relearn once and then keep running it forever, so I moved her to MATE.

While most issues she had with incompatibilities could be solved (and often remotely by me just via ssh) there was one MFP that just wouldn't scan properly (I've scoured the web for guides and sane drivers etc.) in the end I set up a Dual boot Windows (with a nice "switch to Windows " script right in the pinned apps) just so she could scan from there (scans automatically saved on a NAS share that was also available in Linux so she could use the scanned documents there). These days the MFP died and she got a new one that will actually scan in Linux but I kept the dual boot just in case (though I doubt she ever uses it).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I set up Lubuntu for my mom on an old laptop because it couldn't handle mint. She liked that it felt new and familiar enough, but she didn't love it enough to not go back to Windows when she got newer more powerful laptop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I have a Fedora Workstation (i.e. Gnome) desktop, a Fedora Workstation laptop, a Windows 10 laptop I'm forced to use for work.

My wife doesn't have a PC (well I guess she has a Steam Deck, actually, but it only ever goes into desktop mode in order to install/update Stardew Valley mods).

My daughter has my old laptop, with Mint on it.

No issues so far.

My dad did have a laptop with ElementaryOS on it, but since he bought an iPad the laptop has just been gathering dust.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

My parents run a business, and besides having me install it and do the initial setup, they both use Linux fine and have adjusted great from their previous machines. I moved them to it mainly because of performance and being tired of fixing printers on Windows. LibreOffice runs, Firefox runs, a video editor works, and OBS runs, so it's enough for their use. They're both on Wayland, one on EndeavourOS (w/ a graphical app store set up ofc) and the other on Fedora Kinoite, w/ nouveau drivers and no issues so far!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I needed to update my parents old NUC from Win7, it was either new hardware to run Win10 or give Linux a try, I told them I had been running Linux since 09 full time and it isn't any harder than running Windows.

I said how about you give it a go for a month or so and see how you go.

I installed Mint, it has been a few years now and no real issues beyond taking a while to get the printer working. I installed rust desk for remote assistance which I have only used 3 times since install.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I don't think my kids have ever used a Windows machine. I have a couple of machines at home that both run Linux Mint and they use Chromebooks at school. There is not much software that they need that is not either a web page or also available natively.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Kept my parents' desktop running for 14 years with Debian, XFCE, and the occasional hardware replacement. Maybe a bit of a PC of Theseus scenario but it worked pretty great.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Saved an old desktop and laptop from the trash by installing mint and Firefox with ublock. The desktop lasted them for years without any problems, and I think the only problem I supported on the laptop over years was the boot mount filled itself up during updates and needed to be cleaned up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I set my mom (62) up an old laptop running Ubuntu last year when her laptop was stolen out of my sister's car. She's adjusted fairly well to it. She needed a lot of hands on support at first and any time she uses her printer, but she has figured out how to do a lot of things on it on her own.

She makes papercraft activities in inkscape for a weekly storytime she hosts at a bookstore and has gotten very proficient, but still needs some hand holding when printing errors crop up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Told my wife and kids they can run whatever they want if they don't involve me. If you want me to help with computer issues then I'm installing Linux.

If you don't want that, you better learn how to computer because you're on your own

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I've been running Linux on my laptop for a few years now (started with Mint, on Manjaro now). I have our HTPC set up with Mint, and the family is good with it. When my kids are old enough for their own, I'll probably keep them going with Mint as well, we'll see.

My wife's laptop still has Windows, but I'll likely move her over if she gets a new PC at some point.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My kids have never known anything other than Linux. They had to build their own PCs at 6 years old (under my supervision, of course) and they both originally chose Zorin OS at first. Today my daughter is 11 and runs Kinoite on her PC, and Novara on the laptop she uses for school. My son is 9 and wants to move to PopOS (still on Zorin).

My wife was the hardest sell because she was fully intertwined in Microsoft's BS. So I built her a Nextcloud server, set her up with Fedora Workstation on her PC (her laptop is still on Windows, but she barely uses it now), and she has never complained once. As a matter of fact, she moved from her PC to her laptop last week to complete some work because she had to be out of the house, and came back telling me that she could not stand Windows anymore, so she didn't get any work done. Unfortunately, for the local tax entity she needs Excel (ridiculous), so she wants me to spin her up a Windows VM in the same server where she has NC so that she can move her laptop to Fedora as well.

So, yeah, my whole house is Linux run exclusively now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Our family runs Debian + gnome on all our desktop clients. The kids love minecraft and java version works perfect for their needs. Wife needs Libreoffice, Brave and printing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I gives me a sense of happiness when I hear about whole families using Linux only. So awesome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My niece, my mom, and my cousin are using Linux because I gave them my old laptops with Debian in it. They don't know how to do anything with the system (not even update it, I do it for them), but they know how to use a browser, or launch a game. Works fine for them like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At this point you could have moved them to Mint LMDE, which has GUI tools to to pretty much anything, and it is essentially Debian with Cinnamon and some extra tools built by the Mint team

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, Cinnamon with LMDE it's slower than XFce on Debian. These laptops were slow and some had only 2 GB of ram.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

XFce makes them snappy like when they where purchased back in the days?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yes, very snappy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Change is always hard, be it Windows 7 to Windows 10 or 11. The German company Tuxedo Computers has pretty nice Linux laptops for beginners and professionals, this is what made the change easier for my parents: http://tuxedocomputers.com/ They even offer RTX 4090 custom laptop builds, but for the screens they still have no OLED option when I looked the last time.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

We used Linux a long time ago so it's not that big of a deal. Linux made the throw away computer that I had (486) usable. We could not afford newer hardware, so my mom and siblings got used to the "penguin." That was when I was in middle school.

So I have always been able to just use older hardware that I know works with Linux.

When my father was getting older and I was early in my career, I thanked him by building for him a new computer, a dual core i3 with 8GB of RAM. I put Kubuntu on it, but it was still in the KDE 4.x days and it ended up being unusable. Somehow he always found a way to crash the panel, or drag things to make the panel unusable. It was the worst thing ever, and I had to switch him from KDE because even when I locked the plasmoids in place, he would find a way to inadvertently drag something wrong and make it unusable. I ended up being tech support for him and it was as bad as fixing malware Windows ME installs back at the turn of the century. Even after KDE 5.x it was the devil and so I stopped supporting it and moved to something simpler.

I installed Xubuntu and later Ubuntu MATE and both were fine for him for the few years before he faded.

The kids have grown up on Gnome on Debian and understand it well. The only extension is Caffeine. It's very simple and consistent and clean. Having the super key as a consistent way to get around is convenient for them. They started with Bam Bam and then moved to Tux Paint and GCompris. Now they are getting older and play Steam games. They have never used a Windows or Mac. They started with buster.

I put my mom on Fedora Silverblue for her touchscreen laptop because the out of box Pinyin support was great and works everywhere (such a chore to set up in Debian). She also has an iPhone and that is what she uses mostly. I also put my youngest son on Silverblue because of the Pinyin support.

My wife uses Pop!_OS because she likes tiling and hates dark mode that everything has trended towards. But Pop!_OS finds unique ways to break itself on updates and I'm finding I need to intervene more often than I like, so we are exploring a shift to Debian and a tiling plugin maybe next year when Trixie comes out with the newest Gnome.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Damn, you are ancient

Just kidding

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

I don't disagree. It comes fast. Take care of yourself my friend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I threw my brother and my dad into EndeavourOS and Garuda respectively. So far, they are swimming. My brother even does almost all his gaming on Linux.

(Well OK, apart from my dad generally yelling at everything tech. I guess that's where I got it from.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Haha, dunno about Garuda, but EndeavourOS is a tad difficult if you never used any Linux based distro before ! Granted it's easier to setup and maintain than Arch, but still...

This reminds me of how in the past the swimming instructor just throw you in the pool even If you can't swim... Some learned the hard way others were traumatized for life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Well, I did preconfigure Endeavour a bit, but still, it runs just fine :D Being on KDE is a huge help, Windows users feel pretty much right at home.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I tried it once and got ignored like a beggar trying to talk with randoms on the street.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My parents moved to Linux on their own accord: Dad just wanted something that stays the same, and doesn't try to exploit him, so he's been a happy Debian & XFCE user for about a decade now; Mom never used Windows, so she's happy with Debian & GNOME I was a Debian user (and developer) back when they switched to Linux, and Debian is where they stayed. Dad's in IT, so he can manage both systems fine, most of the time. I need to unfuck it from time to time, when Dad decides it is a good idea to try and install the latest LibreOffice Ubuntu arm64 .deb package on his x86_64 Debian oldstable, throwing whatever --force flags at dpkg he can find, but other than that, they have everything they need, are happy with their choices, and need very little support from me.

In my own household, Linux is the only system to begin with (apart from a handful of Android phones we all hate, and an XBox, which is slowly getting replaced by a Linux mini PC). I've been a Linux user since late 1996, and I purposefully only bought hardware that works decently with Linux, so setting up scanners, printers and the like are a breeze.

Wife saw my setup, how I operate it mostly with the keyboard (she hates the mouse more than I do!), wanted the same, so I built her something similar (NixOS + Wayland + niri + firefox + geary). She never had her own computer before, but did use Windows at work from time to time. She didn't want to use it on her laptop, though. She wanted something tailor built for her, for her very reluctant computer-usage. So Linux it is! She doesn't hate it, which is the best I can accomplish with anything computer-related when it comes to her. I'm maintaining her laptop, but that too, requires little work. I just update it from time to time. She's loving that she can send a print job from her laptop, from the living room, to the printer in my work room.

Kids played with both the xbox, and the gaming mini pc I built, and much prefer the latter, because it is easier to navigate, it is faster (using cheaper hardware), it is more stable, so when they're old enough to get their own computers, they want Linux too, and I shall abide. Luckily, while schools around here are rather windows-oriented, they have to accommodate Linux users too, so the kids will be more than fine with their Linux computers, even for school tasks. Whether they'll end up maintaining their computers or not remains to be seen. If they want to, I'll teach them how to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I’m jealous of your Linux friendly family 😅

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

My kids only knew Linux from the first day they used a computer.

They didn't have any difficulty transitioning between that at home and the chromebooks or windows desktops the school had.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Replaced on old windows install on living room media pc with popOS. Newer hardware, just didn’t make sense to run such a vulnerable and outdated os any more and I wasn’t about to pay for a new windows version for it. A few choice apps linked in the dock, and the main streaming websites bookmarked on homepage in the browser, and we are golden. No issues making the switch really, apart from occasional Bluetooth hiccups with the combo wireless keyboard/trackpad that drives everything. To be fair, Bluetooth occasionally has a meltdown on windows or Mac as well, so I don’t think this detracts from a successful conversion. The end result is actually much more stable and approachable for the whole fam, so quite happy with results.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Early this year, I switched my parents from Windows 10 to Linux Mint.

Very old, low power desktop, it was already running super slowly with Windows.

It's been great, the computer is much more responsive now, everything works just fine. Browser is the same, Spotify app from the store is great, printer/scanner, icons on the desktop, their ultrawide monitor, it all #justworks.

I also don't have to worry now about my dad clicking every weird and sketchy email link and ad.

Automatic updates are set up, and Timeshift snapshots are too, in case something breaks and needs rollback.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

My wifes old laptop died and I got an ancient gaming laptop from a colleague and put Linux Mint on it. It works great.

She uses it for studying and some light gaming (Stardew Valley). It just works. She never used Linux before but had zero issues using it and she even said its just like Windows, just faster.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

For me the most important thing was to use Threema/Signal instead of Whatsapp in the family groups so I’m trying not to pressure everyone to jump on the Linux boat.

I converted my fiancé’s MacBook Pro to Linux, but she’s always using her company Thinkpad which has to be on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Switched my parents from an iMac to an old Dell Optiplex running Elementary OS. It worked pretty well but there were some glitches with Pantheon DE and OS version upgrades required a reinstall, so I switched them to Fedora after a couple years. It's easier for me to support because I run Fedora on my laptop. Everyone's happy now. There is always some amount of tech support to do but lately it has been very low. I even helped my dad upgrade the RAM over the phone once, that was fun.

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