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This is more of me trying to understand how people imagine things, as I almost certainly have Aphantasia and didn't realize until recently... If this is against community rules, please do let me know.

The original thought experiment was from the Aphantasia subreddit. Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aphantasia/comments/g1e6bl/ball_on_a_table_visualization_experiment_2/

Thought experiment begins below.


Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?

Once you're done with the above, click to review the test questions:

  • What color was the ball?
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
  • What did they look like?
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

Oh my! I didn't know what to expect, and I have to say... I was quite surprised by some of your answers. Also confirmed to me that I am definitely not normal

Not many replies that are indicative of Aphantasia so... here goes nothing. I tried really hard at this okay

spoiler

I don't "see" see anything when I close my eyes. I can create a very vague concept of a ball, a table, and... kind of a person in my head, but I don't actually see the scene, I used to think when people say imagining things they were just making a metaphor. Things get really funk from here... But the overall schema feels more like one of those badly drawn scenes from the hit visual novel Slay the Princess. And yes I imagined it in 2D for some reason

  • Color: the ball doesn't have a color
  • Gender: it wasn't even a real person; it seems like a silhouette of the hand and back of a person
  • Looks: As I said, the person isn't even facing me
  • Size: No idea; in retrospect it's fairly large compared to the table (diameter probably 1/2-1/3 of table?), but the table is also an abstract concept so...
  • Table: no clue, it is a square table but that's it. If anything it looks like the things served on Pizza Hut pizzas
  • Well I spoiled the question for myself so... but I didn't have to choose, heck I couldn't choose even if I know what the questions are

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

My answers:

  • What color was the ball? Red
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball?: seen from the bust, but a masculine physique
  • What did they look like?: Grey shirt, light skinned, clean nails, hands looks slightly worn.
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?: Tennis ball size. Smooth and has a good bounce, but sounds solid.
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Rectangle. Wooden. Smooth, but had a knot in it.

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?

I already knew? . I had to visualize it first to answer any questions.


[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago
  • The ball was red and smooth and uniform and shaded like it had been painted there or drawn with colored pencil.
  • the gender of the person was indeterminate, perhaps leaning female
  • they did not have a definite look to describe, it was more a concept of a person. They were a featureless, fuzzy, void-white silhouette adorned only by a similarly featureless light blue t-shirt, black pants and black hair, all so ill-defined it was as if they they had been hastily cut from craft paper and slapped over top the glowing form, paper. Like the scheme of the fitness boxing mascot, but the more simplified like South Park Canadians, and blurry at the edges
  • the ball was slightly larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball
  • the table was rectangular, of beige ‘wood’ with a light grain, and very sharp edges. It looked distinctly like it was out of a low poly video game.

Important question: The ball and table were distinct and known but oddly not “real-life”. The person was very indistinct and the gender is merely speculation. The edges defining their arms and hands became more defined as they approached and interacted with the ball. The color and form of the clothing and hair manifested then too.

Interestingly, I “know” the visualization took place in my kitchen, in an orientation different than my actual kitchen table. I saw the light from the windows Illuminate the table and the ball, and I could tell where I was in the space watching it happen, but the kitchen wasn’t there and neither was I. The table, ball and person appeared alone in a murky dark void.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)
  • The ball was red
  • The person was of indeterminate gender, I only really saw their arm
  • They were wearing a blue button up over a white shirt
  • The ball is about the size of an orange, and it rolled forwards
  • The table was made of wood

I had to picture it again to get the shirt color but not the rest. I can say that the background was dark, almost like a dimly lit billiards hall, and there was a light shining on the ball

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

All these details were present from only reading the title:

A very large and heavy marble that you'd need to pick up with both hands to hold. A man was already there keeping a hand on the marble, to prevent it from rolling on the wooden table. The table is simple, square and has 4 legs. I know what the marble would sound like if it were to roll, bumping over the little imperfections. This is happening indoors, but there's some natural light coming through. The table is relatively close to the edge of a room but you can still approach the table from all sides. The room is mostly undefined besides that. The man is not too detailed, I have a vague awareness of what he is like, but more like a gestalt of him.

After reading the prompt: The man rolled the ball with a soft push. It produced the expected sound and then he stopped it again before it fell. I felt anxiety when the ball rolled, and was relieved when it was stopped. I want to put it on soft cloth so that we can stop worrying about it rolling off the table. There's soft cloth nearby, and it's purple felt.

I have hyperfantasia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 44 minutes ago

Blue. Didn't really envision a person, just the hand, didn't notice the potential sex. It was a billiard ball on a pool table. The ball kinda rolled gently across the table at an angle, hit the side, and slowly rolled back before stopping.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 58 minutes ago
  • What color was the ball? Blue
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? Male
  • What did they look like? Skinny, pants, dress shirt
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? Blue, smooth, baseball sized
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Around 2ft square, wooden, light color, four square legs

All of this was built in my head with each part of the prompt. Pretty sure I don't have aphantasia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Red No gender No appearance No size The table was the same color as our dining table, but that was the only property it had.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 hour ago

No matter how much I tried to focus, all I can see is Mickey Mouse in a magician's cap trying to control buckets and mops.

I might have hyperfantasia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
  • What color was the ball? - Red rubber, like an old school dodgeball.
  • What gender was the person that pushed the ball? - Unknown, all I saw was a hand and the sleeve of a white dress shirt with the cuff rolled up.
  • What did they look like? As above.
  • What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else? About the size of a softball. Bigger than a baseball, smaller than a basketball.
  • What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of? Square natural wooden table.

Already knew.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

spoilerI feel like I started to picture something more specific, but as soon as it asked what happens next I deliberately cleared the details from my mind and re-imagined it as generically as possible so my prediction wouldn’t be biased by anything not explicitly stated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Well maybe I'm not all that aphantasiac, I immediately came up with a woman pushing a 9-ball on a green billiards table

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
  1. The ball I imagined was made of polished metal and reflected its environment.

  2. A man.

  3. I did not imagine a face. But he was wearing a dark blue business suit with a red striped tie. A watch was on the wrist of the hand that pushed the ball.

  4. About the size of a large orange.

  5. It was a smaller rectangular table made of a dark, varnished wood.

I'm an artist. I often tend to visualise what I want to draw quite well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Very interesting!

My resultsThe ball was about the size of a baseball, and the table was square, but I couldn't answer any of the other questions without just making something up when they were asked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Exact same.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

SpoilerColorless. Genderless. The forbidden lovechild of Bongo Bongo and Turnip Head. Ping Pong sized. Rounded wooden table.

Visualizing takes work so generally only what's needed is there. But sometimes the darker thoughts escape out from the dungeon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I already had my answers before looking through the questions. Red, no gender, mostly a lab coat, tennis ball sized, waist-high wooden rectangular table.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I imagined a sort of physics textbook diagram, not real objects. There was no person, only an arrow indicating the applied force on the ball!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)

That's how I did it too. There is a sphere on a plane. A force is applied to the sphere, parallel to the plane. Neither the sphere nor the plane have a defined color, size, material, etc. Nothing specific pushed the sphere.

My job is often to mathematically model the things people say to me, and in those circumstances thinking like this is correct.

I don't think this way when I daydream, although the visual components of my daydreams are more like the feelings I get when I look at something than like concrete mental pictures.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

Hello, fellow odd brain!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I find it very interesting that the vast majority of people saw a red ball. I did too.

::: spoiler

  1. red
  2. Indeterminate, mostly just an arm
  3. shoulder-length brown hair, androgenous body, hidden face
  4. Like a rubber bouncy ball you'd get in a party bag
  5. wooden, square

Mostly I already knew, but it felt like things were "filling in" as I tried to "remember" the image to answer the questions, especially around the person.

:::

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

spoiler-titleAm I the only one who imagined things that they interact with frecuently?

  1. The ball is green and its the one I got for my cat.
  2. Female, she gently pushed it with one finger
  3. It was my mom (idk why)
  4. About the size of a lemon.
  5. I just Imagined my table. Medium sized, thick with fake wood vinyl or something. I even imagined the mess that is on it.

I alredy knew, as I said, I imagined things I already know. And the ball bounced like 4 times before rolling out of the door.

What does it mean? lol

Edit: Added the spoiler thing. Quite interesting to read others replies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The ball was white/light gray. It has the surface texture of plaster of Paris, but it is somewhat lighter than would be appropriate for its canteloupe-like size.

I don't think I actually pictured a whole person as pushing the ball, more likely it was a disembodied hand or the general sensation of pushing it myself.

I remember being specifically intrigued that I pictured the ball rolling back towards the center of the table and pondering why I had chosen the table to be slightly concave. I don't remember more attributes of the table, but I have the feeling that has more to do with inattention to its details rather than not picturing them at the time.

I imagine that, based on the framing of the story, my interpretation was to picture the sphere as a literal entity, but the person as the "concept of a push"... The table probably lied somewhere in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I've always found this subject fascinating. Why are we all so different in this regards? What's going or not going on up there? Anyway, this is my result…

Tap for spoilerI imagined a bright red ball, like a shiny red plasticy looking ball

The "person" pushing the ball was just a disembodied arm, the ball rolled and bounced around the pool table much as a pool ball would

The arm was pretty much my arm. I didn't bother to visualise the person, instead concentrating on the interaction with the ball.

The ball was larger than a pool ball, maybe softball sized or even slightly bigger

The table was basically a pool table, green felt, but smaller or maybe the ball was just much bigger

All this I knew from my visualisation but when answering the questions I probably solidified my thoughts a bit. When viewing things they are constantly changing or shifting to match new information/ideas/concepts of what's there. I don't really see the whole scene at once easily, instead focusing in on different aspects of it. For example if I'm concentrating on the red, shiny ball then the table is just a green plane/background.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

My answers

  • It was sandy brown.
  • I didn't picture a person, but a real cat that I'm worried about. She's a female.
  • Like that specific furball looks like. She resembles savannah cats from a distance but she's a pure-bred mutt.
  • Around the size of my palm. Massive, springy.
  • I pictured the ball over the desk table that I'm using now.

I picked a lot of RL stuff (like the cat, or the table) to "build" the image with; I often do this. I picked all those things before seeing the questions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago
  1. The ball was red.
  2. I have no idea.
  3. I have no idea.
  4. Like, maybe softball sized? A little bigger? I'm not sure.
  5. Square. It was made of brown.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

The ball was pale, not any color specific, something life a cream color. The person was nongendered, just a hand extending from a black suit with no determining orientation. They were a suit below the shoulder to above the knee, no other visible details past the table. The ball is maybe baseball sized, just big enough to comfortably fit the hand. The table is my current dining room table, an antique drop leaf table. This detail was the oddest to reconsider because until now I've been imagining either my previous table or the coffee table from my childhood, I don't normally decorate the thought space.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Tap for spoiler

  1. Red
  2. None
  3. Nothing
  4. Indeterminate
  5. Brown, indeterminate
  6. It's like looking at a watercolor through a frosted window.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

spoiler

  1. red
  2. no gender
  3. just an outline, maybe a bit tall?
  4. it was around the size of a softball
  5. the table was circular and small for a table, like maybe two could sit at it. I didn't imagine a material.
  6. I imagined more about the ball than anything else, it was made of a spongy material like in those sponge brushes for painting, and it was red. The person was a complete blank slate. The table was only circular, nothing else.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It was a billiards/pool ball, but no idea which one as I just associate balls on tables with playing pool.

No idea on gender, formless concept.

No idea on looks, just a concept.

Whatever size a pool ball is, 2-3 inches? Just a concept though.

It is a pool table with green felt and a raised edge and six pockets because that is what a pool table is. Can't really see it. Just aware of it's general properties and how the felt and wood feels.

Eveey detail is based ona pool tabke and ball because my first thought about balls on tables is playing pool. Without the table detail I wouldn't have anything at all to work with.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago

A vague thought of a ball and knowledge of what would happen. Nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Neat!

spoiler

  • Red. It was rubber.
  • Male.
  • Tall, thin. I don't remember a face, but he was wearing an old-fashioned formal shirt and sport jacket. The cuff of the shirt was unbuttoned and folded back. He also wore a wide-brimmed black hat. (I'm currently watching an episode of Hell on Wheels which probably influenced that.)
  • Large for an apple, small for a canteloupe.
  • Square, dinner-table-hieight. Dark-stained wood. I'm no woodworker, so I wouldn't know what kind of wood it was, but I've got a couple of bookcases of the same wood and staining.

Aside from that, I can say it took place in an old cabin and in the background, I saw an open doorway to a... foyer? The door to the outside was open. It was very sunny. And I saw green grass outside.

And, I knew all those things before I got to the questions. I just had to consult/replay the scene in my head to get all the answers.

Seems fair to say I don't have aphantasia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Fun experiment! It's amusing reading the comments.

::: spoiler spoiler Red ball pushed by an older gentleman, only imagined the hand and arm (wearing green long-sleeve but I'm not sure if I added the long sleeve after tbh, Im pretty sure I only imavined the hand). It was a red rubber ball, the kind you throw to a dog and it was on my kitchen counter (it has a distinct pattern).

Except for the log sleeve, I knew the rest without a doubt. Also, I didn't really see it fall, my angle was from across, I couldn't see the other side per say and I stopped imagining the moment it slipped off. I don't really remember a floor either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

It puts the push in the little backpack it's wearing and thanks the person.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

OK today I learned I may have aphantasia.

It suffices to say, the follow up questions were bizarre to me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

spoilerInteresting, on the first sentence I actually thought of many different sizes and shapes for the ball, then realized I'd have to pick one before moving on to the next part, so it was kind of a conscious decision. I ended up with a simple grey anti-stress ball. But the table was always the same, light brown wood. All focus is on the ball so the person is just a silhouette partly out of camera but the hand is white and wearing a black sleeve. I only chose what the person looked like after the questions based on what felt right for the initial visualization, like panning out the camera.

There's another question though. Would your mind get into all this trouble if you didn't know there would be questions coming?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Interesting. I also had only the vaguest impression of the person pushing the ball, but I definitely caught a glimpse before the ball rolled off the table. Slacks and a blue shirt, that was about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

spoilerThe ball, a red ping pong ball of maybe 1.5-2 inches diameter, is on a square, concave white, glazed ceramic plate that is on a rectangular matte white table that is plastic. I have no idea why the ball is on a plate but that's how it is when I imagine it for some reason. The entire room is white with a door on the wall that I am looking towards. The door slowly opens, and it is me (I'm a girl)! I look exactly like I do when I look at myself in photos. When I push the ball with my hand, it gets pushed off of the plate and lands on the table. It rolls toward the end of the table and bounces on the floor twice, making a noise you'd expect a ping pong ball to make when it collides with hard flooring. The whole scene looks like how a YouTube video of it being physically acted out would look like.

I already knew after I read the prompt. It was like a little YouTube video playing in my head! 😃

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

spoiler

  1. The ball started out crystal, then changed to a colourful pool ball, off-white & yellow / red,
  2. The person doing the pushing had no distinct features / might have been me in the first person / was otherwise unremarkable, most of the visualization starts after the point of pushing the ball
  3. ditto.
  4. ditto
  5. The ball was roughly pool ball sized.
  6. the table was a relatively non descript wooden (pine coloured) dining table, in a kitchen / dining room ish area with the vague sense of cabinets and a counter behind it, but these were all very blurry and non descript
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I fantasized all the details as they were asked in the prompt, but didn’t give an identity to the ball-pusher until the quiz asked for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I’ve never head of this test before now. Spoiler tags to help others avoid the answers before they take the test.

Tap for spoiler

The ball was somehow chrome but not reflective, and bigger than a large marble. The table was a flat plane with no features. The person pushing the table had no features. There were no other features within this thought space

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I can visualize things in my mind, but it's not... Clear? Like it's not as vivid as seeing with my actual eyes. It's like seeing images as reflections on tinted glass. Dark, murky. Muted colors. There is also an emphasis with text. I think of a ball. I imagine a red ball with the text "Ball" above or below it.

In the scenario given, I see a dark image of a red ball on a wooden table. A hand not attached to a person pushes the ball. The ball rolls across the table and falls off. There is text below describing the situation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It's important to know if the text was displayed in comic sans or not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Papyrus you heathen

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Times New Roman.