Bojack Horseman.
He’s such a terrible person but idk i love watching him and I root for him especially later seasons.
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I'm not sure how long this will last, but I've still not forgiven Netflix for forcing the ending to be rushed. The last season should have been at least two seasons.
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Everyone in the Expanse. Naomi, Drummer, Fred Johnson, Bobbie Draper, Chrisjen Avasarala, Monica... Obviously, Amos, Peaches, Miller, and even Holden.
All of them do reprehensible things. Some did them and made up for it. Some still do them to win.
Really? Holden damn close to the platonic ideal of a reluctant hero, with a strong moral compass.
He wobbles a bit later with all the PTSD, but generally always tries to do the right thing the best way he can.
Naomi and Bobbi too, Naomi did bad stuff in her back story, but she's much surer of herself and her sense of right and wrong due to that. Bobbi possibly a very mild anti-hero as she can lean a little blood knight, but not quite anti-hero in my view.
Drummer and Fred Johnson are much more morally grey, and start out as more antagonists than they end up being.
Avasarala is similar, but she's also a magnificent foul mouthed mother. She can get anti-hero status for sure.
Amos I think is more of a villain protagonist (dueteragonist?) than anti-hero.
Miller is anti-hero in the Shinji Ikari type.
Anti-hero: the protagonist whose methods, while effective, are not openly supported or celebrated because they fly in the face of "norms."
While I agree with your analysis on Holden. Reluctant hero, to be sure. He sure did screw over Earth and Mars on a fairly regular basis to make his points stick. He disobeyed orders and protected a Belter ship, which got him bounced from the Navy. He declined promotion so he could keep shagging the pilot of the Cant. He went alone on sending out the message that got them caught by the Donny... and that was all before shooting down a medical relief vessel, shearing off the drive section of a UNN vessel, targetlocking every ship in the Ganymede AO as he escorted the Weeping Somnambulist away. In-universe, Holden will do just about anything to advance his own ends. He's a privateer, his motives and methods transcend in-universe moralities, which we can only see because we know all the pieces. It's not 'til the Behemoth that he gains the patina of "saviour" — in contact with the dead, chosen by the protomolecule for direct communication, and having escaped death enough times to engender trust.
For most of the others — Amos (that guy --> just walk away), Naomi (clubbing Cyn ‐‐> waking the Presence), and Alex (we don't talk about Alex) for running with Holden; Fred (stealing missiles, selling Inaros out to the Inners --> "in my quarters, stop them"), Drummer (executioner --> "speak plainly"), and Bobbie (warrior, defector, ronin, mercenary --> fucking Valkyrie) for materially supporting Holden; in-universe, they would also be regarded as Anti-Heroes until they're not because of their arcs. Don't hate the playa. Hate the game.
Maybe "hero of the belt" = anti-hero precisely because it undercuts the frame of a "classic" hero. Much to be learned, then. Maybe I just want them to be anti-heroes because I have so much respect for these characters, their subversion of "norms" and willingness to address a greater good.
Nice touch with the comparison between Amos and Shinji Ikari. If this had been 2 years ago, I wouldn't have known. I see it now.
Also, Clarissa Mao?
I agree with your view for how they're seen in universe, but "anti-hero" is a Doylian status rather than Watsonian.
Holden follows heroic, regarded as heroic by our 21st century Anglo-European society morality. Alex, while the heart of the gang is more of an anti-hero due to his commitment phobia and run of failed relationships.
They're all (except Amos (except he kinda is in his own way)) admirable characters, and worthy of emulation.
Clarissa, like Fred Johnson, and to a lesser extent Avasarala (although more so in the books) started off in antagonist roles, and thus tend to be more anti-hero /accepting of less moral choices because of that. Good arcs and development with all of them. But Johnson is more supporting cast, so doesn't quite get to anti-hero for me on that count, but made difficult choices to make up for past crimes.
Agreed. I think Amos can rightly be called an antihero, same with Miller.
But Holden is the archetype ‘good guy’ and everyone else is also unambiguously ‘good’ who occasionally do morally gray things for pragmatic reasons.
Such a great show (haven’t read the books (yet) sorry!)
Iirc, the original definition of an antihero didn't mean a bad guy you root for. It meant a hero in the story that didnt embody the traditional heroic traits of courage, strength, faith in God, noble morality, etc. The antihero is the hero who is not really heroic - a hero who is kind of just a normal person. An example of this being Don Quixote - a man who spent his time fighting dragons and rescuing princesses only in his imagination.
These days, almost all heros outside children's books are antiheros. Because true heros are flat and one dimensional and unrelatable and don't contribute to an engaging plot. These days, it isn't thrilling enough for us to hear how the knight slew the dragon. He must first overcome... I dunno, his childhood trauma or something.... And then he can slay the dragon!
I just recently started Don Quixote and have only just made it into part 2, but he doesn't really strike me as a hero. Maybe in his own head he thinks so. He's certainly the protagonist, but from what i've read so far, he's been rather antagonistic towards the people he interacts with.
Didn't see him posted yet, Walter Joseph Kovacs aka Rorschach.
The one who hates immigrants, gays, and liberals? Might want to take a little closer look at your favorite character.
The question was favorite antihero.
An antihero (sometimes spelled as anti-hero or two words anti hero) or anti-heroine is a character in a narrative (in literature, film, TV, etc.) who may lack some conventional heroic qualities and attributes, such as idealism and morality. Although antiheroes may sometimes perform actions that most of the audience considers morally correct, their reasons for doing so may not align with the audience's morality.
Perhaps a post titled "Who is your favorite antihero?" Isn't the best place for you if you're just looking for reasons to be offended.
Woyzeck. Such an obviously bad character who is weirdly relatable.
Darrow from the Red Rising series. I think he fits the bill a bit, but he does flip flop between hero, anti hero, and villain, so maybe not a complete fit.
I got halfway through the second book and it just wasn't what I wanted anymore. My brother told me to keep going but it's been a while.
To be honest, I've only read the first three. I was very happy with how it left off and my gf says that the other two are hard reads. I still make sure she doesn't spoil anything, but I'm unsure if I want to leave it where it is and be ignorantly happy, or read further and see what happens.
I may revisit them when the series is complete.
No mention of The Punisher?
I think he has an automatic negative connotation just because of his many cops etc idolize him, but he's a fantastic character. In the (Uhh I think) daredevil show and comic he knocked DD out, chained him up with a revolver, and said shoot me or I will assassinate this bad guy. Like "you wanna do the 'killing is wrong' shtick? Welcome to my trolley problem, bitch."
many cops etc idolize him
Which is ironic, considering what he really stands for.
Netflix's version portrayed by Jon Bernthal is trully amazing
Peacemaker!
They said anti-hero.
Leto II. Deadpool was already taken, so I went with a more controversial example.
Raistlin Majere from Dragonlance
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