this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
534 points (99.4% liked)

politics

19050 readers
3831 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

"FEMA also been accused by former president Donald Trump, the Republican nominee, and other Republicans of not being able to respond well enough to Helene because it had diverted disaster relief funds to help migrants.

That is not true, because while FEMA administers the Shelter and Services Program, funding for it comes from a separate pot of money funded by Congress for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

Other false claims that have circulated include that people taking federal relief money could see their land seized or that that $750 is the most they will ever get to rebuild. FEMA has pushed back against the false claims and conspiracy theories, setting up a page on its website to combat misinformation and rumors."

(page 2) 40 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Life is the crummiest book I ever read

There isn't a hook

Just a lot of cheap shots

Pictures to shock

And characters an amateur would never dream up

Sometimes, truth is stranger than fiction.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Trump has now successfully sown distrust in FEMA.

FEMA. An agency created to help people recover from natural disasters.

We can put that right up on the list with news organizations, the Department of Education, our election system, and children's hospitals.

The damage that Trump has done to this country will take decades to recover from. If we ever can. You figure, with the 3 stooges on the bench willing to carry on Trump's legacy, we're looking at 40 years minimum of lingering Trump fuckery.

And there's a very good chance he'll become President again. At that point, we as a country deserve whatever we get.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As usual, Trump only amplifies something that was floating around for decades. FEMA has long been the target of conspiracy theories. You can get a taste of it from the old X-Files movie. Being a federal department that gets to do extraordinary things in emergencies tends to make it a target.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Alright bros, have fun with no hurricane support!

Alternatively anyone caught threatening a FEMA agent should be captured and released into the hurricane by plane with no parachute

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (4 children)

If I may make a suggestion - with a parachute.

With no parachute they just go down for a couple minutes. With a parachute they go up and down for hours, in the middle of a hurricane.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Like an army man falling in front of a fan

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago

People with political incentive to make the government to look bad are actively trying to make the government helpful response worse. I hope people are seeing how dangerous Trump and these right wing nutjobs are to normal people and normal Republicans

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, states like Florida should be ineligible for federal aid across the board

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Then we would need a border wall to keep Repubs out of good states. Repubs come swarming across borders in massive numbers and vote for the very same policies that made their own states fail.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The problem is Georgia and Louisiana are just as bad...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Georgia has been turning around in recent years.

Also, I saw fewer confederate battle flags in Atlanta than I did in Indianapolis. Fuck Indianapolis.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Headlines about USA that wouldn't have been possible when I was a child.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't know your age but chances are you were just not familiar with right wing FEMA conspiracies, because they're ancient.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory

Wall of text, but a good read if you have the time.

"One of the first known references to FEMA concentration camps comes from a newsletter issued by the Posse Comitatus organization in 1982, with the warning that "hardcore patriots" were to be detained in them.[2] The prevalence of the conspiracy theory increased in line with the rise of the militia movement in the 1990s.[2] The conspiracy was part of the rhetoric of the now largely disbanded Militia of Montana. The self-styled congressional analyst David Fletcher was their spokesman and brought it up in meetings, even pointing out "United Nations Reserves" that the government was building camps for in the Northern Cascades.[13]

A supposed FEMA camp was featured in Linda Thompson's 1994 film America Under Siege; in reality, the "FEMA camp" was an Amtrak repair facility.[14][15] She accused the government of using "black helicopters" against patriots to prevent them from interfering with plans to establish a New World Order.[16][17][18] Following the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the conspiracy theory was discussed by the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Domestic Terrorism.[9] The theory's inclusion in the plot of the 1998 X-Files movie showed its growing reach.[1]

Fears of FEMA declined in the early 2000s as foreign terrorists were perceived as the major threat but the late-2000s recession and the election of Barack Obama renewed opposition among conservatives and libertarians to the federal government. Obama's election also enabled the theory to reach more mainstream right-wing circles whereas it had previously been confined to the fringes. There was a resurgence in the militia movement, and with it a resurgence of the FEMA camps conspiracy theory[9] and a corresponding boom in the "prepper" economy.[19] Reader emails published by the magazine National Review have also promoted the theory.[3]

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann alluded to the theory while in office,[20] as have other Republican Party politicians.[21] In December 2011 Camille Marino of the animal liberation website Negotiation is Over posted an alert on her website titled "Military Now Recruiting Guards for FEMA Domestic Detainment/Internment Camps" containing the usual warnings about the end of civil liberties and the announcement that the U.S. Army is looking for "a Few Good Totalitarians" to herd dissenters into camps.[22]

In 2015, fears of the FEMA roundup beginning surfaced with the announcement of a domestic military training operation called Jade Helm 15. County and state officials in Texas denounced the fears[23] and the exercise was completed with no one being placed into an internment camp.[24] Also in 2015, additional speculation about the theory was stoked by retired general Wesley Clark when he called for World War II-style internment camps to be revived to combat Muslim extremism. He stated, "If these people are radicalized and they do not support the United States and they're disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine, that's their right. It’s our right and our obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict."[25]

According to the Las Vegas Police Department and witnesses in the weeks leading up to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, gunman Stephen Paddock reportedly espoused right-wing anti-government and conspiratorial views, including FEMA conspiracies. He reportedly told a friend that "sometimes, sacrifices have to be made" in order to encourage the American public to arm themselves.[26][27]

Conspiracy theorists have used the actual internment of Japanese Americans during World War II in specifically constructed camps as evidence that such a scenario has historic precedent.[2] Proponents have cited a contingency plan (Rex 84) drafted in part by U.S. Marine Colonel Oliver North calling for the suspension of the Constitution and the detainment of citizens in the event of a national crisis.[2] This was aimed at left-wing activists, not the libertarians and right-wingers generally associated with FEMA theories.[28] This has been linked to a 1970 document by Louis Giuffrida (years later, the director of FEMA) calling for the establishment of martial law in the event of an uprising by African American militants and the internment of millions of African Americans.[2]

Alex Jones has promoted conspiracy theories about FEMA on InfoWars. In 2010, Jones produced and directed Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA, a film he claimed "conclusively proves the existence of a secret network of FEMA camps" and that "The military-industrial complex is transforming our once free nation into a giant prison camp." In 2012, Jones linked to a story titled "List of All FEMA Concentration Camps in America Revealed" from the German UFO conspiracy website Disclose.tv.[29]"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mfw my sophomore year in HS is "ancient"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Try this on, I had my daughter at the pool yesterday and she wandered off a bit, a lady saw her wander off from me and told her to go back with her "Papa".

I'm 40, lol.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Papa is father for a lot of folks.

Paw paw kn the other hand....

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

“We must hurt people, because they are helping the wrong people”

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

It's "The Running Man" plot! They are just going to AI videos to fit a narrative, and start sending people to jail, or worse...

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The national guard "came across" these fuckwits. Why not do something about it?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Mainly because after the pr disasters of ruby ridge and then Waco, right winged militia's grew in numbers, basically using the events as marketing materials.

Right winged grifters love it when they are confronted, it fulfills all their fantasies about the underdog standing up to authority, and proves in their minds that they were correct the whole time.

Since the American fascist movements have legitimized news organizations that will echo their claims, it's extremely hard to actually crack down on them without turning them into Martyrs.

The end result has been the federal government putting right winged extremists on the back burner for the last 30 years, allowing them to fester into the infection we know and hate today.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think now that we've successfully prosecuted the Jan. 6th domestic terrorists, we can put this notion to rest. We absolutely can and should go after these nutjobs threatening federal workers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

I think now that we've successfully prosecuted the Jan. 6th domestic terrorists, we can put this notion to rest.

Except that the feds had their kiddy gloves on for sentencing..... Out of the thousands of people there only a small percentage have caught charges that drastically change their lives, and even then not to the point of treason nor terrorism charges.

We absolutely can and should go after these nutjobs threatening federal workers.

I agree, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Not when the person who led them is still considered appropriate for the highest position in the land to half of the electorate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

While there have been successful prosecutions of the J6 terrorist, there is still an ongoing campaign to try to whitewash J6 as peaceful tourists that have been unfairly singled out due to their political affiliation. So while I agree, we do need to go after these people we there also needs to be a push to stop the gaslighting that happens

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago

This is the world of a maga mental invalid. A world of endless fear and abuse. Tyranny.

[–] [email protected] 115 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you were wondering what societal collapse looks like, this is it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

Sadly I wasn't wondering. Just watching the country implode very quickly, only for an equally horrifying explosion coming all too soon.

There will be mass violence if Trump wins or loses. Far more manageable if the latter, but democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can you please explain? I'm interested

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

Not OP, but I guess it shows the general loss of confidence in institutions in the US. When people wanna shoot their guns at disaster relief organizations, it indicates they don't trust anything from the government, and the feeling is more than just skepticism, it's heinous.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Was it not every single Florida Republican who voted no on FEMA relief? 😅

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 days ago (1 children)

FEMA [...] been accused [...] of not being able to respond well enough to Helene because it had diverted disaster relief funds to help migrants

so if they are dead they will surely do a better job?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago

the article isn't really getting into the conspiracy theories that are actually causing this.

it's more qanon style "fema is the secret police enforcement arm of the deep state coming to do their dark bidding on you the one time you're vulnerable and no one will see or believe you"

that's what they believe that makes them want to kill them. generally speaking.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Trump and Stochastic Terrorism - like peanut butter and jelly, salt and pepper, beans and rice.

Edit: I see I (and other top level comments) have the customary downvote from the silent maga that seems to pay attention to threads like these. Thank you buddy, until I see that one downvote show up with no counterargument to be seen I feel like my comments about Trump aren't complete.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

Southern states and the need to protect people who rightfully shouldn't need protection. Really hope the national guard is the next stage of this. It should be reinforced that this behavior is not to be tolerated.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Flies and shit

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›