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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Fantasy is right-leaning while SF is left-leaning. Easy peasy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

What was it again in science fiction, hard and soft? Whereas hard is more realistic and soft has more fantasy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would argue that science fiction and fantasy are the same thing and the only difference is the explanation for how all the cool stuff works.

Functionally, there's no real difference between a portal that takes the characters to another world using a wormhole and one that does it through through magic. Just like how there's no difference between Vulcans/Klingons/Wookies and Elves/Dwarves/Beastmen. Both are intelligent non-humans.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

There are disappointingly few epic space battles in fantasy though.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

science fiction is in space and fantasy has castles.

I will take no further questions.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Counter point Star Wars. Magic powers, magic swords, rescuing princesses, chosen one prophesies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Vader even has a castle

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

as the other commenter said, there's very little science fiction in star wars. It's more fantastical creatures and magic and shit. it's actually fantasy. Star trek however, that's scify

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Star Wars is 100% a Space Fantasy. A boy goes on an adventure accompanied by a wizard to save a princess and become a knight.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been reading stories from the Hatsune Miku rhythm game app, that almost straddles the line between urban fantasy and unexplained sci-fi. The premise is that instances of the vocaloids live in personalized virtual worlds for different (small) groups of humans. The humans can teleport to these worlds by playing a special song on their phone, or the vocaloids can project themselves as holograms from the humans' phones. It's almost sci-fi because it mostly works within constraints of technology. For example, you get booted out of the virtual world if your phone runs out of battery, and if your phone gets shorted out, it can prevent the vocaloids from projecting themselves until the phone is repaired (though if the phone still works otherwise, they can voice chat.) Also the special song can be transferred to different machines and still works. But then what makes it more fantasy is that the song and worlds are created from the humans' feelings (and if they lose the song, a new copy will appear for them,) and it works without internet connection (if one member of a group is stranded and another isn't, they could have a vocaloid relay a message.) And then just recently I read a chapter where some characters were able to access their virtual world through their dreams, without needing the song file in the first place. For me, that's what completely tipped the scale into urban fantasy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wow. Thank you for typing that up! What an amazing mind the author has to come up with something so uniquely different, at least that I've read or heard of.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I don't know who writes it, and I wouldn't exactly call it a masterpiece (though to be fair, I am reading translations,) but it is a fun premise. I started reading it because it's one of the few sources of official Hatsune Miku lore (though ultimately everything is canon,) but the stories focus more on the human characters, with the vocaloids mostly just being there to support. Still, the stories can be compelling.

At this point, half the reason I'm still reading is for the human characters, and the other half is to find details on the premise, such as how it works with thermodynamics, whether the cafe world has an economy, how biological the vocaloids are (do they need to eat?), and how long it's going to be before anyone finds out that their bestie/sibling/trainer/etc has their own virtual world too (they don't do a great job of keeping it secret, but they also don't do a great job of investigating.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

just like IRL trees and computer science trees!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Fantasy evolved out of folk tales in the public domain. It was owned by nobody, and everyone could add to the story. It'd be accepted if people thought the story was good enough. Later, new stories were under copyright, but their heritage was clearly public.

SF grew up when a strong copyright regime was already in place. It was owned by either a single person or a corporation, and only they had the legal right to declare what was canon or not.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Science fiction is used to look down upon society and is often pessimistic. Fantasy look ls up at what could be and is generally optimistic.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Science fiction is based in reality and usually just extrapolates what we know is scientifically possible, just not with current technology. They can usually explain how stuff works because it's based on real science to some degree.

Star Trek is science fiction.

Fantasy really just follows the rule of cool. If it's cool, throw it in. It's based on nothing but what the writer thinks is cool as shit.

Star Wars is future fantasy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely 100% wrong.

Star Wars is ancient fantasy, it happened A LONG TIME AGO in a galaxy Far far away

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Of course, they don't say how long ago that is. I mean the 1920s kind of seems like a long time ago.

And all galaxies are far, far away.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The best rule: It's fantasy if there is a sword.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Might want to qualify that as if there's a magic/ special sword.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

BAT'LETHS ARE NOT SWORDS! THEY ARE KLINGON BLADE WEAPONS! TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

^(Okay,^ ^they're^ ^swords.)^

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Tachyon beams: sci fi
Batleth fights: fantasy

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago

On the one hand, you are correct. On the other hand, whoooosh. Don't feel bad, there are many who got whooshed in this thread.

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It's me. I got whooshed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Fantasy is when there's magic, sci-fi is when the magic has specific terminology.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

If it's not from the fantasy region of middle earth then it's just sparkling fiction.

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