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I've heard the legends of having to drive to literally everywhere (e.g. drive thru banks), but I have no clue how far apart things are.

I live in suburban London where you can get to a big supermarket in 10 minutes of walking, a train station in 20 minutes and convenience stores are everywhere. You can get anywhere with bus and train in a few hours.

Can someone help a clueless British lemmyposter know how far things are in the US?

EDIT

Here are my walking distances:

  • To the nearest convenience store: 250m
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 350m
  • To the bus stop: 310m
  • To the nearest park: 400m
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 1.3km
  • To the nearest library: 1.2km
  • To the nearest train station: 1km

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: 16km

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

I live in the residential area within the limits of a large US city.

To the nearest convenience store: 0.9 km
To the nearest chain supermarket: 2.6 km
To the bus stop: 0.3 km
To the nearest park: 0.8 km
To the nearest big supermarket: 3.1 km
To the nearest library: 2.7 km
To the nearest train station: 2.9 km

And I'd argue that these numbers are remarkably good for people in my situation as well.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

My closest superstore an hour drive away. 60 miles. The closest grocer is 12 miles. My closest international airport is 1.5 hours away. It is also the closest regional airport. 85 miles. The closest national park is 3 hours. I live 6 miles from my closest town.

There are no passenger trains, busses, or taxis. Or uber.

Rural america is empty. And spread out. We get along fine, but public transit will never exist here. Cars are the only way.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

At this point I just want Japan to realize that not every American lives in walking distance of Los Angeles and NYC, and none of us live in walking distance of both at once.

Seriously, stop basing your marketing strategies around "Major US Cities Only!"

The nearest "Major US" City to me is like a day's drive, and I mean literally you don't stop driving for an entire day.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I live out west. Think of how far would be intolerable to walk in 45 degree heat and then add 30 minutes standing by the road, waiting for traffic lights to change, so you can attempt to cross without a crosswalk or a sidewalk, while you roast in the added heat from car exhaust.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Having a large country doesn't necessarily mean that your cities and towns have to spread like crazy. Russia is even larger but the cities are much more compact than US cities.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is central Florida, on the east coast. The chain supermarket is Publix, the big supermarket is Walmart. Brightline is supposed to build a train station nearby, but they haven't started yet.

To the nearest convenience store: 1.9 km
To the nearest chain supermarket: 5.7 km
To the bus stop: 3.8 km
To the nearest park: 1.1 km
To the nearest big supermarket: 12.1 km
To the nearest library: 7.3 km
To the nearest train station: 75.5 km

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: 6,967 km

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

3.3ft (and that's a decimal .3, not an imperial .3).

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I live in Jersey (New). As a background, I'm at the edge of civilization, I like to joke. If you go west of me, there's farms, what we call mountains, hiking, all that kinda stuff. To the east of me, it gets more and more urban until you get to NYC.

Here are my walking distances:

  • To the nearest convenience store: half a mile
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 1 mile
  • To the bus stop: half a mile
  • To the nearest park: quarter mile
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 1 mile (same as above)
  • To the nearest library: I am 1 mile from two different libraries, pretty much smack in the middle.
  • To the nearest train station: 1 mile

Adding:

  • To the nearest mall: 1 mile
  • To the nearest gym: quarter mile
  • To the nearest hospital: 1.1 miles
  • To the nearest ice cream parlor: .9 miles
  • To the nearest record store: .9 miles
  • To the nearest arcade: .9 miles

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: Just shy of 3500 miles. Straight-line distance to the Statue of Liberty: 30 miles

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I moved from a UK city to a town on the edge of Dallas.

There was a crossroads with a strip mall. grocery store, dentist, food places etc, about 15 minutes away, but it was often too hot to walk. Anywhere beyond that was too far to walk.

Everything was so spaced out there. All the shops were surrounded by big parking lots. It was hard to even perceive that I was on a street with shops, at first, because everything was so far away from the road.

Now I live in a quiet street in suburb of LA. There's a main street about 10 minutes away. So within 20 minutes walk I can visit restaurants, grocery stores, etc. Even a British supplies store to get real chocolate. Bus stops, library, doctors, dentist, opthalmologist, and a hospital, too.

But if I want a big department store, I'm driving 15 to 30 minutes.

The broader LA area doesn't really have a center, just clusters of shops and malls at bigger crossroads. It seems endless. I could drive 50 miles to Newport Beach for vacation and never be outside a city.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

I want to add that in many places in the US it is not just the distance, but the danger and outright discouragement of walking somewhere. For example, I contemplated using a train to get to Lego Land in California from Oceanside, California. After getting off of the train I would have to walk 1.3 miles, which is only a minor inconvenience. However, after reviewing the walking route google has this qualifier: "Use caution - may involve errors or sections not suited for walking". This prompted me to review the walk using street view and I came to the conclusion that there was not a safe route.

This is just one example of something that I think should specifically be available. There are many places where walking is encouraged and convenient, but it is by no means universal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Living in a small town in central North Carolina (answering these questions in units of city blocks that are ~150 meters long or in statute miles:

To the nearest convenience store: 4 blocks

To the nearest chain supermarket: 2 miles

To the bus stop: ~35 miles (It's a distance to the nearest town with a bus service)

To the nearest park: 8 or 9 blocks

To the nearest BIG supermarket: 2.5 miles. The "nearest chain supermarket" is a Food Lion; slightly farther down the road is a Wal-Mart and a Harris Teeter about the same distance away.

To the nearest library: 3 blocks

To the nearest train station: 4 blocks.

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: ~4000 miles. juuuust out of earshot. I don't recommend walking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Depends on the state. There are places where stores are 2+ hours away by car.

In my area, it falls into 2 categories-

  1. Things are 20-30 min by car and are 20-30 miles away (highway)
  2. Things are 20-30 min by car and are 3-5 miles away.

This is totally based on traffic and roads- I’m in the woods outside Washington DC, so while the density is high in the cities, I’m 15 min from literally everything minimum (by car). I couldn’t walk or bike to a store, I’m 30ish min from work combination highway and local roads.

If you live in a city, you might live literally on top of stores in the same building. Shopping centers with above condos and apartments are becoming a popular replacement for shopping malls in my area, but are very very expensive (often over $1million) for a townhouse in one of these shopping “communities”.

I buy nearly everything online and have it delivered, most stuff (groceries, goods, electronics, housewares, etc) come between 0-3 days.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Just to give the other side. I live in a big city in the US.

  • Convenience store: .2 miles, 320 meters

  • Chain supermarket: .5 miles, 800 meters

  • Bus stop: 300 feet, 90 meters

  • Park: 0.2 miles, 320 meters

  • Big supermarket: 0.4 miles, 640 meters

  • Library: 0.9 miles, 1.4 kilometers

  • Train Station: 0.3 miles, 480 meters

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Oh boy. I used to live in Houston, TX, a city notorious for being car-dependent...

I will present three sets of numbers. First is where I first moved to in Houston, in a supposedly highly coveted, super walkable area home to mostly medical students... Second is the place I lived before I moved out (and I used to boast to people how accessible the place was, by US standards). Third is in Chicago, close to city center ("The Loop").

And FYI I only lived in places that would be considered to be within the city, so these might be as small as they can get...

  • To the nearest convenience store: 900m | 750m | 170m
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 700m(used to be 4.2km) | 450m | 220m
  • To the bus stop: 160m(never seen anyone there though) | 350m | 71m
  • To the nearest park: 950m | 1.5km | 1.6km
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 700m(used to be 4.2km) | 450m | 450m
  • To the nearest library: 1.2km | 450m | 1.0km
  • To the nearest train station: 7.0km | 3.8km | 2.5km

Fun story about the first location! Everything seems so walkable on paper (close to park, close to highway), until you realize that there was no fucking supermarket anywhere within walking distance... H-E-B only opened a store closeby after I moved there. However, even the super-close grocery store is across the highway and I almost never see any sane people walk there so... For parks I am only counting ones that are good enough to be tourist-worthy, otherwise the latter two locations have pretty easy access to lots of green space

And if you are asking about public transit that are not bus/train: respective distances are 1.4km | 1.0km | 280m. The last number in this series is basically how I chose where to live...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Small town in Oregon here (all measured along the routes walked, not 'as the crow flies'):

  • Convenience Store: ~150 meters, right down the road
  • Supermarket: Will get back to later
  • Bus Stop: The local bus company runs a loop around town so there's technically one closer to my house than the convenience store, but the busses that can take you to another town stop at the one ~400 meters away.
  • Park: Three parks, which are ~400, ~500, and ~580 meters away respectively, though there's not much of anything at the 400 meter one but some sports fields.
  • Big Supermarket: Will get back to later
  • Library: ~500 meters (the 500 meter park is right across from it)
  • Train Station: 29 kilometers by car to the nearest passenger rail station I can find. Without a car I'd need to walk ~400 m to the bus stop, take a $1 bus ride with the local company to Town B, then take another bus ran by this town's company, and then walk another ~480 meters because they don't have a stop at the station. Google Maps predicts that trip will take about 1 hour 20 minutes one-way, and it would cost $2 (or $4 round trip).

Now, I'm not entirely sure what separates a supermarket from a "big supermarket" in your mind, because to me all supermarkets are quite big by definition, so I'm going to explore three different trip options: one each to two supermarkets in or near my town, and one to the nearest Walmart, which I'm 100% sure should count as a "big supermarket", but which is a couple towns away.

  • Supermarket A is close enough that walking to it is a viable option, which would be ~730 meters to the edge of the parking lot or ~875 meters to the front of the store. Alternatively, if I can plan the scheduling of my trip around it or I'm not picky about the timing I can walk ~100 meters to the nearest stop in the city bus loop, wait a while, and walk of right at the front.

  • Supermarket B is 2.6 kilometers by foot, but a large part of that trip is walking along the side of a lightly-developed highway with no sidewalks, so I don't consider walking here a viable option. By bus it's the same 100 meters to the bus stop, wait, then directly to the storefront.

  • The nearest Walmart is ~25 kilometers away by car, but the local bus company doesn't offer a direct route to that town so I have to take a bus to Town C, take the Town C Bus Company's bus to the east edge of Town D, then take Town D's bus to the Walmart on the western edge. Google Maps says this would take just over 2 hours one-way, and it would cost $2 ($4 round trip) because Town D's busses are all free to ride at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In the UK we have smaller "urban supermarkets" that sell everything you might need at home but there's not much choice in it, and there's a lot of ready to eat meal options. Kinda like a corner shop plus.

And then there are the fuck off huge supermarkets that are like THE Wallmart on the interstate on, usually, the edges of urban areas which have foreign food isles, clothes, toys, and more types of toothpaste than you could use in a lifetime of brushing three times a day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Houston tx, sprawling urban hell. in a swamp. I'll only give a few

My most common doctors office: 16miles, 26 km My best friend: 30 miles, 50 km Bus stop: 2.5 km Grocery store: 6 miles, 10 km

Keep in mind this is a major metropolitan city with 4 million people, fairly hefty public transport, and is surrounded by other smaller cities. From center it's like 15-17 miles to the next edge. There's a smaller city inside of Houston called Bellaire lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's just say I have an office job and still manage to drive 35,000 miles a year.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Fun fact: the circumference of the earth is 24,000 miles!

I used to work as a service technician so I'd also have to travel more than the circumference of the earth every year. I feel your pain lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I live in the suburbs of a decently sized but not super large city in WI.

  • Convenience store: 120 m
  • Chain supermarket: 2.6 km
  • Bus stop: 5 m
  • Park: 450 m
  • Big supermarket: 3.1km
  • Library: 1.5 km
  • Train station: 58.9 km :(
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

At my parents' place, it's about 9 miles (~14km) to the nearest gas station/convenience store, which has super limited hours, or roughly a 15 minute drive. It's about 14 miles (~23km) to the nearest grocery store, or about a 20 minute drive.

I live in the suburbs of a major city, so the nearest stores from me are around a mile (1.6km) away. The nearest big supermarket is like 2 miles (3.2km) away.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

To the nearest convenience store: 2.3mi / 3.7 km

To the nearest chain supermarket: 9mi / 14km (not actually a chain store, it's a small grocery in a small rural town)

To the bus stop: lol, I don't think any of the cities near me bother with that, nor would they be useful to me

To the nearest park: 5mi / 8km (lake, about a 5 minute drive)

To the nearest big supermarket: 14mi / 22km

To the nearest library: 9mi / 14km

To the nearest train station: 51mi / 82km (and this station doesn't service any location I couldn't get to faster than driving, even across country. Because AMTRAK is shit. I know because I've done it before)

This is in central CA, not far at all from the Capitol, Sacramento. For being the 5th biggest economy in the world our capitol is pathetic

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I live in suburban Kansas City and these are the distances to the things you mentioned -

  • Convenience store - 1.2 miles (1.9km)
  • Chain supermarket - 2.8 miles (4.5km)
  • Bus stop - 1.2 miles (1.9km)
  • Park - .4 miles (650m)
  • Big supermarket - 5.5 miles (8.8km)
  • Library - 1.9 miles (3km)
  • Train station - 7.4 miles (11km) (trains are not really a viable transport option here)
  • Airport - 29.1 miles (46.8km)

The closest publicly accessible business to me is a fast food restaurant about a mile away.

Basically if I need anything, it's a 30 minute walk one way to get there. It just isn't really viable as a regular thing to spend an hour walking to get to/from a convenience store, or 2 hours for a grocery store. Instead, I spend 10-20 minutes in my car for those errands, and save the extra time for walking my dog (since he couldn't go into any of the places mentioned above either, so his walks would have to be in addition anyway.)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I’ll just use the same criteria you gave as an example.

  • To the nearest convenience store: 1.5mi (2.6km)
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 1.8mi (2.9km)
  • To the bus stop: 0.5mi (800m)
  • To the nearest park: 0.3mi (480m) - I’m lucky to have several parks in my neighborhood
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 2.1mi (3.4km)
  • To the nearest library: 2.2mi (3.5km)
  • To the nearest train station: 5.1mi (8.2km)

Edit: I live in a mid-size city (300k) on the east coast.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

nearly 3km to convenience store or supermarket... in a city? i get the other comments with similar numbers but they said they're in the middle of nowhere, in the suburbs and such.

also i live in such a big city that 300k feels like a small neighborhood.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I was going to call it a “small” city but Google told me that 300k is mid-size so I went with that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The city is ~350 sq km and our tiny downtown area is probably about 1 sq km, so the entire city is kinda like a suburb. Heck, I’m from Houston which is known for its urban sprawl, and yet there’s lower population density where I live now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

To be fair, you live in a large city. Cities here in the states also have many points of interest close by. In the suburbs, places are more spread out, same as they would be in the UK. It's all about location.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I live in a town of 220,000 in the UK.

I'm a 5 minute walk from a small supermarket.

10 mins from a corner shop.

5 minute drive from a huge supermarket.

10 minute walk from a doctors' surgery.

20 minute walk from a dentist's.

20 minute walk from an opticians.

5 minute walk from a park.

15 minutes walk from primary and 10 minutes walk from a secondary school.

But we don't really do suburbs in quite the same way, and they're much more walkable than the pictures I've seen of US suburbia.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I live in a suburb in the U.S.

  • To the nearest convenience store: 322m
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 2.4km
  • To the bus stop: 2.6km
  • To the nearest park: 5.5km
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 6.1km
  • To the nearest library: 7.7km
  • To the nearest train station: N/A

Notes:

  • The "convenience store" in my example is a gas station, technically you can buy lottery tickets, candy, cigarettes, beer, and a few things like that - but very limited inventory, it's mostly for people buying gas. It's also very unusual to have a gas station like this located basically in a suburban area, most places you would have to go much further to find one.
  • no sidewalks or safe passage, you walk on a dangerous road with ditches on either side to get to the convenience store.
  • the only public transit is a bus, it is used only by poor people, and it doesn't cover the west half of the city (for example I was unable to use public transit to go to school)

I have run to the park before despite being far away, but I think most people would (rightfully) think I was suicidal for doing so. A lot of the way to the park requires walking on dangerous streets where people drive fast around blind curves and where there is little to no shoulders to squeeze by if there are cars, most of the way has no sidewalks, and I have to cross busy roads where drivers are going 80+kmh.

Owning a car here is considered a part of being an adult, people without a car are seen as childish or immature, and usually suspected of being drunks who have lost their license due to DUIs or felons who cannot have a driving license and aren't allowed to leave the state. It is assumed everyone drives everywhere, alternatives are unthinkable to most people here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Those distances would be perfect for a bicycle if you had save bicycle lanes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Well, those distances use a nearby highway, and there are no bike lanes anywhere (let alone sidewalks). As mentioned earlier, being suicidal means I did use a bicycle anyway, and after a couple years I had a brain injury, was hit by cars twice and ended up with permanent injuries. So... yeah, I don't recommend cycling (if you feel like being alive and able-bodied, anyway).

What is also not mentioned is that the nearest supermarket is a shitty Walmart, the nearest park is very small and not really worth going to, and the bus is not a practical form of public transit here.

I have to drive 20 - 30 minutes to actually get to stores, parks, or other places I would actually go to. I think that's pretty good relative to most people, I live in a centralized location and most places are equidistant. I used to live in a nearby more rural town and I had to drive 45 - 60 minutes to get most places, and that was much worse.

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