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That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have a feeling someone baked this cake just for the meme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I believe in TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES like HARD WORK through HUNTING and GATHERING and COMMUNAL LIVING and DYING AT THE AGE OF 5 and BEING AFRAID OF FIRE and YEETING YOUR KIDS INTO THE FOREST WHEN THEY BECOME ADULTS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Isn't that the Buddhist/Hindu version?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Depends which way round you look at the slice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

From Wikipedia:

In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (clockwise) (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ('sun'), prosperity and good luck, while the left-facing symbol (counter-clockwise) (卍) is called sauvastika, symbolising night or tantric aspects of Kali.

I thought the big difference came down to the direction it was facing, but turns out both directions are the Hindu way with different meaning. And depending which side of the cake or the slice you look at it will be both ways. The other distinction between the two is that the Nazi one is usually tilted to 45 degrees.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It can go in either direction, but it's more commonly in the opposite of what is shown here

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Off-topic, but, if that's a real cake and the image goes all the way around, that's actually kind of impressive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Same, that's pretty creative layering

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION I HATE TRADITION

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tradition isn't the issue, the issue is not wanting anything to change. Those are completely different things.

Good: Festivities (like Christmas), cuisine, cultural heritage etc, all that (and more) can be summed up as tradition.

Bad: Saying something shouldn't change because it has always been that way, uncritically continuing to do everything the way it has always be done. This is not tradition, it's conservatism at best and backwards politics at worst.

The bad includes "traditional values" but traditional values don't equal tradition - tradition is much more than that, and a lot of it isn't bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks, you gave me a good chuckle

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I distinctly remember debating with a person from my old Internet community. The person is anti-globalisation whereas I am pro. This was before I realised right wingers are anti-globalisation, but he blamed the rise of far left and far right in the 20th century to globalisation, and also blamed the fall of Rome to foreigners with the Germanic invasions (it is an oversimplification as to why Germanic peoples invaded but many viewed themselves as also Romans; hence why the later Holy Roman Empire is Germanic). Then after a while, the discussion turned to women's rights because I mentioned Westerners just don't have as many children and therefore immigration is necessity . The interlocutor then basically argued that women should have more children. I alluded that there was a certain political party that explicitly viewed women as baby churners in order to breed more people for their race (I'm referring to the Nazis of course, but I should have also mentioned at the time the Islamic fundamentalists also do the same).

Someone mentioned that the user I debated with changed over time within the community. I later learned that the person got banned.

Advocating for traditional values is not in and of itself wrong, but if those values impede another person's rights then those values are not worth actually worth valuing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Tribalism is a terrible thing, and unfortunately part of human nature. Those people over there want my fucking deer meet, and this cozy cave I have: I need to hate them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I still think about my white coworker who said that the 1920s were the best times. And I had to remind him his mixed wife and kids would disagree with him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let me guess, he's probably enjoys drinking alcohol too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

...but Gatsby! and flapper dresses! and wealthy industrialists!

It's all vibes from people painfully ignorant of the time they yearn for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It’s like when people read or watch a period drama that takes place before the 20th century and then they wish they were born back then. They forget that they would be born as a peasant or slave working the fields or mines and every decade they and their sons are forced into the meat grinder of war.

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