This just in: Valued Amazon employees now in high demand outside Amazon...
this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2024
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Wait. My schedule is 4x10, do I have to come in fifth day?
This is bullshit.
Hey Andy! Look up "dead sea effect" and tell us who's gonna comply the most.
People need to stand firm against the needless RTOs and demands to be present in a workplace where your work consists largely of things you can do safely from the privacy of your own home.
Without more mass resignations when companies start to roll out RTOs like this; they will never learn. If you work at such a company; start looking for another job, even if you are willing to work in the office a few days a week. Punish them harshly for enforcing RTOs.
Mass resignations are worthless. Announce a strike. Make them fire you.
Those resignations are layoffs without having to call them that, there's no downside for the company
There's one important difference: with layoffs, Amazon gets to selectively lay off their worse performers. With mass-quitting, the quitters will be the people who will have the easiest time finding a new job, which I bet is mostly the high-performers, not the low ones
The higher paid high performers... They're not interested in reducing head count as far as reducing staff costs.
So they can boost "value" of office space.
“We want to operate like the world’s largest startup”
Yeah, that’s not how it works when you get over 1000 people. And it’s definitely not how it works when you get over a million people.
Startups work because the product is small and everyone can be consulted and looped in with ease. Massive companies need thoughtful processes and communication practices to work.
This is hard to do well, and any time someone says they’re going to work like a “large startup,” you’re putting yourself in company with a number of other stupid leaders who have received some dumb advice from 20 year olds at McKensey or Deloitte.
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Thank christ my company downsized offices during rona and they couldnt physically fit all of us in if they tried
If you think that prevents this, you're wrong. My company did the same thing, and when they announced RTO, people pointed out that they only had enough capacity for maybe 80% of the employees to fit. Management's response? "I've seen empty desks in (other unrelated building on the other side of campus), I'm sure we'll make it work".
Don't think that something silly like "physical space" or "maximum occupancy limits" will get in the way of a stupid decision.
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Mine too, but now I'm worried they'll just sell off the remaining assets and close the doors.
Hopefully everyone else watches the fallout of this and don't follow suit.
I'm surprised the insurance companies haven't forced companies to walk back their RTO policies. More sick days, more injuries, more medical expenses.
On the contrary, they will let Amazon take the hit, wait for the news cycle to change, and then do the same thing. You know, for the culture!
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I don't know, if I was getting laid off I'd prefer to stay home so I don't have to drive.
They must really need another round of layoffs without severance.
The announcement also includes a statement about reducing management to IC ratio by 15%.
This is 100% voluntary layoffs.
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Exactly this.
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Fuck… I was doing coffee badging recently. 5 days is a lot to just drive to the office and back. I need to look for other dev jobs in Seattle that actually respect their employees, but the market is gonna be so cold after this announcement.
I have until January 2nd apparently.
At least they still haven’t said a minimum time in the office yet…
Do you imagine you can wait out layoffs and people quitting, then go back to remote once their quiet quota is reached?
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I'm waiting to see how the industry shakes out in a few months and see where things land.
100% though I'm pissed. The way they've handled RTO has been abysmal.
what happens january 2nd?
Now, the company is giving employees until Jan. 2 to start adhering to the new policy.
Quiet-quitting.
Nah, that happens today. January 2nd is double secret quiet quitting. Or as it should be said, acting your wage.
There are some excellent employers out there - I wish you the best of luck.
Your employer should respect you and the time you put in to producing for the company - sadly many currently don't.
My team and managers have been awesome with respecting my time. It’s ironic that Jassy wants to “operate like a startup” but won’t trust his management to make the best decisions so we work quickly.
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No bathroom breaks, piss at your desk in a jug!
With one hand, because you better be typing some stuff at the same time!
Thats all the days?!
you can work from home at saturdays and sundays :)