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Sony. What are you even doing right now? PS5 Pro Announcement (www.youtube.com)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I almost chocked on my coffee in the first 20 seconds :)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I regret buying a PS5 at all. I haven't been a PSN subscriber for over three years at this point and I don't feel inclined to be in the future. All the games my friends and I play are on PC and really the only game worth a damn is Astrobot, which is far and away the most fun platformer game I've played and is the sole game to justify that console purchase lol.

I echo the other comments here saying this generation is a waste, it really is and there is nothing really to be gained by getting the latest and "greatest" console today. Maybe it's just a sign of the times that consoles just don't have that much pull like they used to, unless they're portable like the Steam Deck or Switch.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

This thing is expensive, and I probably won’t get one.

But the Panasonic 3DO cost $700 in 90s money and that thing sucked ass, so this price isn’t something we’ve never seen before.

Sony does need to read the room, though. It’s a bit of a bad look.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago

I think Sony is trying for bankruptcy. With that whole PSN thing with, which game was it, Helldivers? Just...who would ever buy anything from Sony ever again?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Prices have changed since then, tvs were serious investments that ate up a significant portion of your income. It was a different consideration back then.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (12 children)

I'm not buying the pro, the PS6 or the next Xbox series console.

This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.

I'll wait until 4 years into the new console gen to decide.

Until then, I have my pc and my 7800xt Nitro+

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, the PS5 was the worst investment I made last year. I did never buy a PS4, I own PSX, 2 and 3 tho.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (18 children)

“Minute differences” is a bit absurd. It may have been a bit too long since you’ve booted up your PS4.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think I am going to go Xbox next time around for console games. The PS5 has been a let down in terms of game selection and overall improvements. I actually get mad when I go to look at games in the store and the ads and clips are blurry and low res because Sony dont invest in their backend to stream at a decent resolution.

I bought a meh pc yesterday because Im going to use that moving forward, pay for myinternet once and use it when I want.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you think the ps5 game selection is bad wait till you see what xbox doesn't have. And everything exclusive to xbox is on PC. Sony has been absolutely mopping the floor with xbox this gen, which is probably why they think people will spend $700 in the pro.

And how's your internet? Because I've never thought the videos on the store were bad enough to complain about. Might not be 4k but its never been blurry for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have had the same issue with 10gb and 1gb internet. Their store has terrible optimisation even though they baked it into the ps5.

Sony puts their games on PC too, I just dont want to support them anymore. I will probably go pc fulltime. I stopped with Nintendo too because of how badly they sucked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I really love the Switch form factor and detachable controls. I bought a Steam Deck instead, though.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would have considered a new console if I could follow the naming convention. this pro and series whatever nonsense is too confusing for someone who isn't plugged into console generations anymore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

It's difficult for you to follow that 5 is higher than 4 and that Pro is better than non-Pro? Seriously?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Ok, xbox is confusing with the one, one x, series x. Etc But PS is PS5 and ps5pro. And I guess whether you want a disc drive.

PS has kept their naming consistent enough that it's not hard to figure out. Ps4 and ps5 are obviously different gens, one x series x doesn't inform you in any way what's better.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I love my PS5.

But I also just got a Ryzen 9 5900x for $300 off, I have a RTX 2070 Super. My PS5 can play games with HDR at 4k at 30fps. Big ol 65" screen. With the Ryzen 7 3700x I could get like 70 FPS on cyberpunk 2077 on my 2k monitor 27" screen, no HDR with DLSS3 enabled.

The processor upgrade alone was an huge boost to game quality for $250. Since I now don't have to replace all my internals to utilize an RTX 4080 Super, I'm getting one of those.

The RTX 4080 Super has an HDMI 2.1 port, so I can use VRR on my TV and enjoy the 120hz smooth frame rate.

The PS5 pro is essentially the same as the PS4 Pro was the last generation. It you have a PS5, you won't notice a huge difference.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Look into moonlight streaming and you can get the same PC experience on your tv, too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Is it still kicking? I didn't have a lot of success with it in the past, I'll give it another shot

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Hell yeah, it's awesome

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember when some top Sony exec said that this generation wouldn't need a pro, and that that was a unique PS4 generation thing?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (5 children)

not entirely related but I guarantee you'd have more fun playing some cheap indie game with your close friends on a $800 PC

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't think it's worth it, especially if you already own a PS5.

But what did people think it was going to cost?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

PS4 was $400 at launch. PS4 Pro was $400 at launch.

Obviously tech is getting more expensive to produce instead of cheaper now, but still, a $200 markup from the base price is pretty damn huge.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Computing hardware when the PS4 and PS4 pro came out was still in the before times when new hardware meant doing more for the same money. It’s been a minute since those times and that isn’t really something Sony has any control over.

Meanwhile you also have a weird phenomenon that didn’t exist during the PS4 generation where you have a huge spike in inflation between your base console and pro launch. When the PS5 launched at cost $500, but $500 then is more than $600 now. The PS5 pro is really only $100 more in 2024 money than the PS5 was at launch.

Maybe Sony is making the wrong move here but understanding the market and economy as it is today, I’m not sure what else they could have done besides not launch a pro console at all.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

PS4 Pro was still obscenely underpowered. Jaguar was terrible at PS4's original launch, and the boost on the Pro was marginal because it was still the same terrible underlying design.

Going into the PS5 pro, everyone projected this pricing, because it's actually modern hardware and their costs have went up instead of down.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I will have to wait and see, but if it competes with high-end hardware on PC in terms of 4K support and high framerates I think €800 is pretty reasonable. I see people online claiming that it should've been like €600 or maybe €650. But a RTX4080 GPU alone is more expensive than that already, and it's not even top of the line. But if you want advanced raytracing, maxed out settings and 4K you'll definitely need something in that price range of GPUs at minimum.

People don't NEED to upgrade to the PS5 Pro, it seems more like an alternative for people who already own 4K TVs and want to make better use of it. I'd be more annoyed about the lack of a disc drive.

That said, I think the real issue is if developers start abandoning the original PS5 hardware in favor of the new ones and start getting lazy and stop optimising their games for the older PS5. Which would in fact make the upgrade to a Pro almost mandatory if you want to keep playing at reasonable framerates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I mean developers still haven’t really abandoned the PS4 have they? I’ve pretty much stopped playing games on my PS4, but last I checked any new release I would have wanted was coming out on both PS4 and PS5.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It won't come close to a 4080 so that isn't a sensible comparison. I think it's estimated to be slower than the regular 4070.

IDK why you mention 4k and max settings and high frame rates, PS5 Pro won't do these things. It's not even twice as fast as the regular PS5 which in many games drops below 1080p 60fps medium settings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Which is why I said it's wait and see.

The PS5 already does 4K and higher framerates, for at least most of their optimised first-party games, I'd just expect a Pro version to handle it better on top of more traytracing, otherwise what even would be the point of upgrading for such a high price.

A 4070 is still like €600+, if you want more advanced raytracing stuff you'll have to go for 4080 and up, which means easily exceeding €1000 for a GPU.

This is why I compared the PS5 Pro to the 4080, because they claim to do advanced raytracing on the Pro. Which is why I think a price of €800, which sits between that of a 4070 and 4080, is quite reasonable. People want high visual fidelity on 4K and high framerates, but still expect to pay far less than high-end PC hardware, I don't think that's a realistic expectation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Watch Digital Foundry, very very few AAA PS5 games can do 4k AND 60fps (which is what I assume you mean by "high framerates", although 60 isn't really that high it's just mid). Probably none of those are doing ray tracing at the same time. Most PS5 games have upscaling enabled at all times because they're rendering at much lower internal resolutions. PS5 Pro is not even twice as powerful, it's not going to be capable of pushing 4x as many pixels per second. There's a reason why they're still talking about their upscaling algorithms.

"Advanced ray tracing" is not a technical term that exists it's just marketing speak. And obviously they couldn't say path tracing because they won't be doing much of that like a 4070 or 4080 can do.

Here Digital Foundry is comparing the PS5Pro to the RTX 3070 Ti, which is much weaker than the 4070 https://youtu.be/W2wOn8zS8dU?t=3577 (the 4070 has more VRAM than the 3070 Ti that they mention there)

The 4070 is similar to the 3080, which is a pretty decent lead over the 3070 Ti. The 4080 is leagues above them all.

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition/images/relative-performance-rt-3840-2160.png

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I know they cheat their way through abusing terms and doing stuff like checkerboard 4K and frame generation and what not.

The point is that speaking to the casual masses it will still be a tremendous visual upgrade up from what the original PS5 is capable of. Or at least I assume so, because again, otherwise there would be very little reason to even upgrade. Visually games like God of War Ragnarok and Horizon Forbidden West are fine on the PS5, even on performance modes (which does run at 60 FPS, frame gen or not). And frankly to me it competes on the same level as visually high-end games on PC (I have a PS5 and a high-end PC). We'll see if the quality difference will be worth it on the Pro, I frankly doubt it but maybe for more casual players that don't have a high-end PC to compare to it will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Going eco is all the rage, so probably tree fiddy.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know what I'm doing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Hey, friend.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

implying i have 70 friends who don't own Terraria already.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ll be your friend (I have never played Terraria)

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