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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

That’s literally not even how horseshoe theory works

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Source please, I would like this reference

[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Everyone defending Stein needs to ask themselves why in the world they would ask for votes for trump if you aren't voting green.

There's only one answer and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

This does seem like a stretch. We definitely need forces pulling the ruling party to the left to counteract forces pulling them to the right. With AOC and Bernie softening their tone, and most of the squad eradicated by AIPAC, the balance is off. I wish the Greens had come up with someone fresh instead of running Stein yet again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Remember kids!

Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of Stein and definitely not of Trump, but this seems like a very circumstantial and flimsy thing to base that claim on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Indeed. She's liking people talking about voting for her if they're unsatisfied with their current party...the photo of her with Putin at the RT dinner has much worse optics I don't think people need to deep dive into generic instagram likes.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If that is supposed to be your ultimate proof that horseshoe theory is real, you might have some more convincing to do

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I wish it was, meaning ultimate as in "final", so they won't bring up that Enlightened Centrist bullshit again..

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The comment that was liked says to "vote her if not Trump", it doesn't say to vote "Trump if not her".

A very important nuance. A more charitable explanation is that she is trying to get undecided voters. Which is exactly what a presidential candidate is supposed to do.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“vote her if not Trump”,

Sounds like Stein puts up a clear either/or choice for people. In other words, if you aren't voting for the weird orange felon, deprive Kamala Harris of a vote, and everyone knows Jill hasn't a chance in hell of winning. It is not nuanced at all.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

I agree both that there is a nuance in the difference strong enough to make the tweet in the post misleading/incorrect, and that Jill Stein is still nonetheless actively a bad-faith candidate who wishes for Trump to win

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jill who had dinner with Putin? SHOCKED I tell you!!! It seems like the 'green' party is just paid with greenbacks by putin's government.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Could someone with Instagram check if she maybe just likes any comment that says vote green?

[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Not sure that it proves horseshoe theory so much as it proves that Jill Stein in particular is a gutless wretch and a puppet without principles, and that 3rd parties running for the presidency in the US are deeply unserious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I read that as puppy without principles and was like 🥺

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think if a third party were deeply serious about wanting to establish a viable political movement. They’d try building up at the local level first, the presidency should be one of the last steps of becoming “legitimate”, the unsexy local elections are where you build up support at being treated as a serious political movement. Instead, most current third party runs tend to feel like either spoiler campaigns and/or vanity campaigns, where I’m not even sure what good it would do them on the miraculous chance they happened to win the presidency, since third parties in general don’t have much presence in Congress. There’s like four “independent” members of Congress right now, good luck getting any of your third party platform initiatives done with likely no Congressional support.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My thoughts. When I run it will be as a independent or Ill start a party. But we will start by running for city council and mayor and small government positions.

That how you build a movement Bernie Sanders said they only way to change the system is from the bottom up.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

The whole thing is money, all the way down. It's only slightly different from rooting for your favorite sportsball stars until the electoral college (among other things) is brought into the modern age. The sooner these Cold War relics are out of office worldwide, the better our entire species' chances get.

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