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Does it have something to do with the rise of smartphones and no one typing on real keyboards? (Maybe why blogs died.)

Is it a consequence of voting, which blogs didn’t have?

What happens to your thoughts? Do you turn them all in the form of a question? Do you tear them down into a Mastodon one-liner and hope a popular person notices it?

If Lemmy had more of ourselves in this way, maybe it would be a healthier place.

Being idle until the media put out an article on something for us to talk about gives them too much power over us.

There’s an actual_discussion community, which isn’t exactly lively. There’s a casualconversation community, and even that’s all in the form of a question.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Anecdotally I'll say I feel like I used to be in the habit of typing out responses to posts daily when I first started using the internet. It feels like that was slowly trained out of me as the content and the responses got worse and worse (especially with the advent of LLMs). Trying to change that on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The answer is Lemmy culture.

I had seen people posting long form content on Reddit even after it's enshittification.

The reason why a lot of people here don't post their thoughts here is that there is a good chance they will get downvoted to oblivion with no comments.

I personally never suffered from this, but I had seen it in multiple places here on Lemmy and I personally think that as more users join Lemmy there will be a naturalization of this culture which will make most users think that they are accepted here and that will make them comfortable enough to write long form thoughts here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I see a fair number of posts that are diatribes or questions. I upvote all questions to help raise visibility to help get more answers. There are fewer people here, for sure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course that depends where you read and post on Lemmy. I don't really agree with the premise of your question, so I can't give you a good answer except to say look around. Depending on the topic, you can find people who are going into great detail about their own thoughts and presenting arguments and facts and whatnot, all as might be appropriate to the topic at hand. I'm not really sure what you're looking for. It sounds like maybe you want to start a blog, and if you want to start a blog, go start one. You can even post the links here, for an extra touch of irony.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Start a blog is a little like “If you don’t like the huge corporation, you have to start your own huge corporation to crush them”. Make a blog, never be seen again.

As for people giving their thoughts, it seems held back until you free it with a link or a question.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I feel like blogs are small and relatively stand alone, and nothing like large corporations or Lemmy. Visibility is a question, but that just raises more questions. How many viewers do you want each month? What if you only have a few but they really care what you say? How many views do you get here? Do people hear even care what you say? What if you started a blog but cross posted links to it here? Maybe that would take advantage of both worlds, or maybe it wouldn't, and all of that depends on your goals and whether you have anything to communicate and whether you do a good job of communicating it.

What's being held back, and what's being freed? Certainly my thoughts aren't being held back or freed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most of the threads I've started (on other accounts) have been about ideas rather than events or people and they've reliably made it to the front page, so there's definitely demand for it. There's probably several reasons for why threads like that are so rare, but I'd imagine a big one is fear. The reception on Lemmy to a post like that can, and usually will be quite hostile. People do have opinions and they're quick to hop in and tell you're wrong about something but at the same time they'll think twice before putting their own ideas under public scrutiny.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

you should check out tildes or metafilter both are link aggregators that are highly curated to foster discussion

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Because it's an echo chamber. Not a forum.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Lemmy's format just kind of sucks for discussions and visibility. If you comment on a post from a year ago, you can expect that to not been seen by anyone ever.

Lemmy is primarily a link aggregator, just like Reddit. It also happens to somewhat work for Q&A and help forums, but fundamentally Lemmy is more oriented towards new content.

The more classic forum format is better for discussions because replies bump the thread up to bring new attention to it.

Also a lot of people just don't give a shit about random people's random thoughts, that's why I'm not on Mastodon and never really used Twitter either. I don't know why people feel the need to dump all their thoughts on the Internet, like I care that a celebrity is on a plane or enjoying a nice meal.

Lemmy is about topics, not people, that's what I like about it. I don't care about people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It is nice to sort Lemmy's posts by new comments sometimes. Turns everything into a much more forum-like experience.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy’s format just kind of sucks for discussions and visibility. If you comment on a post from a year ago, you can expect that to not been seen by anyone ever.

Yes, that is very irritating.

The more classic forum format is better for discussions because replies bump the thread up to bring new attention to it.

Too bad they’re not very active, to the best of my knowledge.

Also a lot of people just don’t give a shit about random people’s random thoughts

Yeah, it’s true. I remember the stereotype of Livejournal, which might be before your time, of being teenage girls telling you what they had for lunch. They could be accused of tending toward narcissism. Me, when I want to communicate, sometimes it’s that I want to point something out, but sometimes it’s driven by a wish to socialize.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What if we encouraged everyone to sort by "active" now and again?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think its just down to the lack of users, and esspecially lack of creators. There just isn't many people who care enough about a subject to write multiple paragraphs on it, nonetheless to an audience of half-a-dozen users, who likely also have an extreme aversion to monitization of said content given Lemmy's culture. For most users, there isn't even karma to act as an incentive to post.

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