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Absolutely! For example, look at his running mate! He's got some of the best security in the world and it's totally prevented shoo... oh...
Somehow I get the impression his idea of "better security" is the local team of Gravy Seals patrolling campus looking for "trouble". Trouble being minorities, girls, kids who look at them funny. That kind of thing.
"No Way to Prevent This," Says Couch Fucker From Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
In the year of the cat.
It's only a fact of life if people like Vance let it be. There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
Oh look... another school shooting today.
I get your point but that's not a school shooting. Still terrible though
You must have a very narrow definition of school shooting.
The sheriff said a 16-year-old boy, for whom Friday was his first day at Joppatowne High School, shot a 15-year-old classmate in a bathroom. Gahler said it's believed the victim was struck by a single gunshot.
A student at a high school shoots another student in the school and that's not a school shooting to you?
"It's a tragic day, four days into the school year," Gahler said at a news conference.
Fucking grim
There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
I have almost 20 years of experience working in the public school system. You know those "fortresses"? They're also for show. Unless you're literally putting every child through a metal detector individually (which would take way too much time), any student can easily sneak a weapon right in their backpack. Schools simply do not have the time or resources to be checking every individual student every time the metal detector goes off, assuming they have one in the first place. Those bulletproof windows don't do shit when the shooter is in the building already. And any adult can socially engineer their way to access by simply claiming to be a parent, vendor, substitute teacher, or whatever. I have been to dozens of districts. The number of "fortresses" that could effectively stop a school shooter is exactly zero.
Give me a public school building anywhere in the country, and I'll show you ten ways that all of your security measures will do exactly nothing. I will bet large sums of money on it.
Oh absolutely, it is security theater. I did not mean to suggest that turning schools into fortresses was a valid solution, it's just the only solution being offered up by people like Vance.
Yeah, I apologize. That came off as more argumentative than I intended. I wholeheartedly agree with you and was just trying to show the absurdity of the suggestion that turning our schools into fortresses would do a damn thing. Not only is it political theater, it's a logistical, financial, and educational impossibility and any attempt at doing so could be easily thwarted in seconds in about 10 different ways.
I mean for the love of God, a shooter could just it in their car across the street and fire into the schoolyard during recess, or when kids are coming to/leaving school. I don't care if the school is built like ADX-Florence. You ain't stopping that. There will always be a bottleneck that can be exploited.
Turn schools into prisons. Yard time, guard towers, defensive walls, barbed wire, full-time security, all visitors logged, everyone goes through the metal detectors, no one goes to the bathroom alone, no personal belongings allowed in the cells, errrr, classrooms, no windows.
See? Problem solved. School! Yayyy!
Unless they're forced to live in the Fortress of Suck for the next 13 years of their lives and never, ever leave, there's still the bottleneck that will happen every morning and every afternoon as kids come to and from school. They'll be in a nice little stationary, single file line waiting to get into the building, or waiting for their children so they could leave.
I mean, the would-be murderer still needs to figure out how to kill large quantities of people standing in a nice single-file line and not moving. It's not like he'd have some kind of semi-automatic weapons easily available to them that can turn people into various splattermarks on the ground before they even have a chance to react, ri........oh.....
Yeah, basically you drop your kid off when they turn 6 and then they serve their twelve-year sentence...errrr, I mean education, and you pick them up again when they are released/graduate. They are allowed to have one visit a month though, but we can remove that policy, that way the only exposure will be on the days they're being dropped off and picked up. Given the distribution of birthdays, this should keep total numbers at any one priso... school low enough to make other targets more appealing for the would-be shooter.
I'm glad to have worked on this with you, and I'm glad that we've saved public education in the United States. Ohhhhhsayyyycanuuuuuseeeee
Given the distribution of birthdays, this should keep total numbers at any one priso… school low enough to make other targets more appealing for the would-be shooter.
Actually, assuming an even distribution of birthdays, this would mean that populations at any one cam.....I mean school, of course....would be roughly evenly distributed. No deterrent for a would-be shooter who can just pick any school and expect similar results. No bueno. I think a better way of doing it would be to separate them by ~~race skin tone ethnicity~~ common background. Yeah, that's it. Common background. Because there's no racism or anything. Separating them by common background will make the groups small enough where even if the shooter does attack, at least the body counts will be kept to a minimum. I mean it's not like there's any other reason why a shooter may want to target people with certain common backgrounds, so we're just really protecting these kids while they're at these cam.....schools. So they can, uh, concentrate. Yeah. Concentration. That's the word of the day. We may be on to something here godblessamericalandthatIlove.......
Look, I hate this dude as much as the next guy, and the statement can still be a shrug, but he said "I hate that this is a fact of life" meaning I hate that this happens, and the fact that it happens.
His idea to fix it is to bolster school security. A wrong move, but it's not the "oh well shrug it off" that the headline is making it out to be.
Getting shot is not a fact of life, wtf.
Completely disagree. Saying "It's a fact of life" while actively trying to combat it is one thing. COVID, for example. A fact of life that we had to deal with while we tried to figure out what it was and how to stop it.
He wasn't saying it's a fact of life like that. He's being completely dismissive and saying "It's a fact of life, it's not going to change, and people are going to have to accept that.". There's no eagerness to combat the problem, and he knows his party has absolutely zero intention of doing so. Heck, he's not even the first politician to say it, and half of his party has believed this for years.
So no, I do not believe this is a quote from a man who is just acknowledging the reality of the world we live in, as he sees it. This is a man who believes that gun violence is just a side-effect of protecting gun rights above any and all else, and any children that die as a result are just an unfortunate statistic.
These guys would gladly have your child shot to preserve their money. How they can live peaceful lives in a country of 330 million people is beyond me.
"Would"? They have been doing it for decades.
Simple. They use that money to send their kids to private school where this sort of thing would never happen. Their kids are safe, and they get votes and money from gun owners. That’s all they care about.
Where the privatr school kids are exempt from having to fill out military aptitude tests...unlike public schools
Yeah bruh, i think you ain’t picked up what i put down. But it’s cool, though.
If all children of American politicians were legally required to attend public schools and integrate into common classes I think we’d see sweeping implementation of gun laws real quick. Might also force them to improve the quality of public schools.
You know, that's something I'm actually curious about. Is there any data on shooting rates at public vs. private schools? The private schools I've seen don't seem to have any better security than public schools. Though private schools do have the benefit of being able to just easily expel the more troubled students.
They might get to that. Only after they:
I will bet the left body part of your choice that all of those things would happen long before they actually did anything to try to improve the quality of the schools. Remember, half of these people are about to vote for a candidate who says the department of education shouldn't exist. They'd destroy the entire system before they'd try to improve it.
Remember the saying "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." The same thing applies here, except it's the public school system.
The Ohio senator was asked by a journalist what can be done to stop school shootings. He said further restricting access to guns, as many Democrats advocate, won’t end them, noting they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws. He touted efforts in Congress to give schools more money for security.
I always find this weird because it just completely glosses over the possibilities of A) the restrictions not really doing anything/enough, B) the incredible ease by which someone can just... Go to another state, and C) how absurdly easy it is to purchase firearms in the secondary market.
His argument isn't even a valid/honest one. Take Illinois and Chicago specifically. They have stricter gun laws, but when a gun store in Indiana is just a 20-30 minute drive away those restrictions don't do much because of how close by a place with lax laws is.
they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws.
Can he back that up with a reputable source?
Seems he is full of weird shit.
Well, he has mastered the Trumpian art of finding a way to be wrong even when he isn't wrong.
He's right in that more anti-gun laws that are largely toothless and/or performative won't do jack shit. Of course, the reason for that is that the genie was out of the bottle decades ago. There are just simply too many guns out on the streets already for any kind of anti-gun law to be even remotely effective. If the first two steps of the process aren't "Reduce the amount of guns currently out on the streets" and "Prevent new guns from made available to the public", then everything else you try to do will be nothing more than a complete waste of time.
Notice how all the laws that have been passed to combat school shootings with AR-15s have done exactly nothing to stop school shooters with AR-15s. There's a reason for that.
He’s right in that more anti-gun laws that are largely toothless and/or performative won’t do jack shit.
Source that is reputable?
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