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Welcome to Kagi, the paid search engine full of surprises, which today opened an account in the Fediverse!

@fediverse

@kagihq is the very interesting project for a paid search engine, without tracers and with an accuracy in identifying results such as to exclude all Google spam.

Those who believe that #Kagi's costs are too high, should reflect on a small detail: if Google lets all those searches be done "for free", who pays those costs? The answer might seem simple: "advertisers".

Yet this would be an incomplete answer: like saying that rain is caused by clouds!

In reality, those costs are paid by users, by being milked and letting Google extract their "value", a bit like in the human farm in Matrix...

We first heard about Kagi on the @lealternative website (unfortunately, since then the prices have increased a lot, raising many doubts about the sustainability of the project) and recently Cory Doctorow also talked about it on @pluralistic

In any case, we are really happy that a service like Kagi's, effective and respectful of users' privacy, has landed here in the #Fediverse.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I would never use a browser that requires an account. That's insane.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The number of searches i get for the $5 should roll over to the next month if i dont use them all. No way i will be able to convince anyone to switch to this when they will run out of searches every month

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That's a valid criticism.

On the other side: Pay for a year at once and get 3600 searches/year. The rollover also doesn't happen, but the effect is drastically reduced. Also get a discount overall.

I'm not saying that kagi is perfect, but fuck google sideways. Eat the rich. Pay for the product or you are the product.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Kagi lied about its privacy claims and I can pull up the thread about the user who exposed it & the CEO got into this ridiculous evasion over it but I’ll let you do it for me. KAGI SUCKS 💥

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Do you have the link? I'd be interested to read about it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Thank you for the reminder. The name was tickling my brain but I couldn't remember. The CEO acted like a major creeper. Must have gone to the Musk School of Bidness Mismanagement.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Lmao fuck off with your ad

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I've been using mojeek and ddg, but I've been considering setting up SearXNG on a server.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I pay 5 euros for a VPS at Hetzner and self host my own SearXNG metasearch engine without compromising my privacy. Unlike Kagi, I can search without limits and without the AI stuff that even Kagi has started getting into.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

But SearxNG doesn’t have the nice features like bangs, redirects, changing the priority of domains, custom CSS, lenses, etc.

Kagi has clearly stated that the AI features will always be optional and the engine is designed to be useful without them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I use and prefer Kagi myself but what does this have to do with this community?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's hip to like Kagi because it's not Google.

I think I stopped paying for Kagi at the third or fourth controversy I heard about, I can't remember which one. I wasn't exactly happy about the implication that paying for Kagi means giving money to the bigot founder of Brave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Every complaint I’ve heard about the owner has been ridiculous. I don’t know about the bigotry though. It’s better and has been since it wasn’t hip if it’s actually hip now. I’m swapping between it and my own searxng instance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

@willya these days, I still get excited when a fairly well-known entity opens an account in the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I can only speak for myself, but I like to keep posted when important people and organizations are opening accounts on the Fediverse. :)

It's funny that Kagi included "fediverse forums" functionality in their search before they decided to join Mastodon - one would think the search functionality required a bit more.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

By "entering the Fediverse", do you mean that they created an account on mastodon.online?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@rglullis yes, exactly. To avoid misunderstandings, I changed the title (I hope he updates Lemmy too)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Well, this is certainly a lot less exciting than what I first thought.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I subscribed to the lower tier for a while, but I kept running out of searches early on every month, and the price of the higher tier is just not excusable. So I found myself adding the !ddg bang most of the time to avoid spending my Kagi quota.

And as good as Kagi is, it's still primarily a meta search engine, organizing results from the dominant actors. So it's not like the price is justified by them having to crawl the entire web themselves. Their own crawler, Teclis, is currently small web only and can probably best be described as an interesting project.

Instead of making search cheaper or more affordable, they spend subscription money on creating AI services and various other non-search distractions. Maybe that's good for some people, but I don't want that shit. I just want a good search engine at a justifiable price. And for that, sadly, Kagi fell short.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

For me, it took me several months to use the 100 trial searches. Paying $5/month for like 20 searches isn't worth it for me. Also just not into getting more subscriptions... wouldn't matter if it was just 50 cents/month for the basic plan. If they had one-time-payment no-expiration option like 1000 searches for $10, I'd probably lean towards getting that.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Aaah, now I get it. You guys made an account to post on. I saw the headline and I was busting my head how in the world a search engine would federate within the fediverse...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

@RootBeerGuy in fact the title could be misunderstood... 😐

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Mastodon posts tend to get funky when they federate, because Mastodon has this (annoying) norm of starting posts with mentions. So OP mentioned the community on the first line, which became the first part of the title - @fediverse. Second, it mentions Kagi as a tag instead of name, which gives the @kagihq. And then comes the first sentence as the rest of the title.

It's a great example of Lemmy/Mastodon interoperability working, but not being quite there yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@cabbage

Mastodon posts tend to get funky when they federate, because Mastodon has this (annoying) norm of starting posts with mentions. So OP mentioned the community on the first line, which became the first part of the title - @fediverse. Second, it mentions Kagi as a tag instead of name, which gives the @kagihq. And then comes the first sentence as the rest of the title.

I'm not writing from Mastodon, but from Friendica

It's a great example of Lemmy/Mastodon interoperability working, but not being quite there yet.

The mentions problem seems to be only for PieFed, but it doesn't happen with Lemmy

I think it should be reported as an issue to PieFed developers

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It seems you're right - the title field from Friendica doesn't federate well to PieFed. So I probably misinterpreted the confusion about the title. :)

@[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But it's a Friendica post, not from Mastodon. You can't write such a long posts on mastodon

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Depends how the instance is set up. But yeah, it's the norm many places in the Fediverse, not just Mastodon - I should have double checked! :)

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