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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

African Americans have a weak bias against writing in African American English -> Colleges have weak bias against accepting African Americans as graduate students -> Academic text have strong bias for text written by graduate students -> LLM training data has bias for academic texts -> LLMs have a strong bias for writing like training data.

The error occurs upstream a bit, don't point at the coders.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Writing in AAVE is silly, just like someone from the Deep South including southern drawl in their writing would be, or someone from Boston spelling “car keys” as “kha kees”

So

African Americans have a weak bias against writing in African American English -> Colleges have weak bias against accepting African Americans as graduate students

Is a bit of a jump. Someone writing in AAVE probably wouldn’t get accepted to college, because written word is supposed to transcend dialects and follow a set of rules to be universally understandable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Most LLMs support this. You just have to enable Jive mode.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Obligatory "I speak Jive" link:

https://youtu.be/g0j2dVuhr6s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Hey home, I can dig it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this the new term for ebonics and is ebonics offensive now or inappropriate?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Essentially, yes. Ebonics isn’t inherently offensive or inappropriate, as far as I can tell, but it has connotations that are not attached to AAE. Linguists avoid the term today, and modern uses of it tend to be derogatory.

Source

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

What about YTVE though?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So for those that didn't read the article, it basically explains how LLMs have a negative connotation about AAE. When asked to associate words with AAE written phrases, it used words like "aggressive". When given a normal English phrase and the same phrase but in AAE and then asked what jobs would suit this person, the LLM gave low income jobs for the AAE statement with broader options for the normal English one.

It's a serious problem because people that naturally write in AAE are most likely getting worse results. It stems mostly from old rascist newspaper articles and similar things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's a serious problem because people that naturally write in AAE are most likely getting worse results

Person using LLM built on grammatical rules of the English language has subpar results when operating outside of those rules. More at 6.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

i bet it's honestly more more from like 4chan and other modern online racist communities. where they would mock aave with racist caricatures. agree with the rest, but if it's related to aave then i doubt the old newspapers were the source.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Makes sense. AAVE is mostly a spoken thing, LLMs are mostly trained on the corpus of written text on the internet and in books. It's pretty rare for people to write in an AAVE style in those contexts.

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