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[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 months ago (12 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (11 children)

What's preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it's a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites' server and display its files right? You can't tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Plenty of alternative to Chromium already exist, not all good.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?

In software engineering "just" is often considered a dirty word.

Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.

Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.

Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.

Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.

There's also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It's possible. But it's a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it'd take you days before having written a single line of code.

Then you need to write all that in a performant way.

Then you need to keep up with all the new features.

Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.

Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.

You can. But it'll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I mean, we did it with Linux and it didn't cost billions...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Because they're giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don't see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Haha good meme op

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago

I switched to Firefox because of Googlea plans to stop adblockers.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

My opinion I'd say lose chrome if you absolutely need a chromium browser use thorium any other time use Firefox or a fork of it like Librewolf.

The reason I say Thorium is because this is in the readme.

Manifest V2 support force enabled (Starting in M128 they are experimenting with disabling MV2). It will be completely removed in M136 (10 months from now), and when they finally do remove the actual code for loading MV2 extensions, it will be restored, because F**k Google! Even if it takes a crapload of work, I am determined to restore it, because without UBlock Origin working properly in Thorium, I wouldn't even want to use my own browser!

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

But what about mobile? I started using FF and I have to admit that Chrome is a better mobile experience. Brave isn't for me either.

Edit: lol I'm sorry my experience doesn't match yours and I chose to ask a question.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Reddit hive mind behaviour is seeping through the cracks.

For me personally, the experience is allowed to take a hit, hell even a major hit, if the browser respects me as a user. FF seems to be better on that front although I'll confess I use Vanadium on my phone. Its GrapheneOS' default browser.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Welcome to Lemmy where having an opinion even slightly different from the open source/Linux fanboys grants you downvotes to oblivion, no questions asked 🙃

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Mull is great on Android.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Chrome doesn't support browser extensions so it is an awful experience for me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Same, curious what issues they have in FF, I only know of a couple sites that don't work right in FF mobile

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I still use ff android, but it seriously annoys me that this bug hasn't been fixed in 6 years https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1535985

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Hey since we're doing these, how about the years-old bug where ff won't remember which bookmark folder you were in previously when opening new bookmarks. If you have bookmark folders (especially nested ones), try opening a bookmark inside one of those folders. Then go back into your bookmarks, you'll see you're not in that folder anymore, you're at the root level and have to traverse your folders to get back to where you were. It's super annoying if you're opening bookmarks one after another.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I hadn't noticed this and it will now silently bug me.

Thanks, I hate it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Lol I didn't notice it either but don't miss it either, often the suggestions were more annoying then anything else, imo

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 months ago (4 children)

There are two browsers, chrome and FF.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It feels very weird to say but

I think maybe

the world was better when Trident existed??

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Pfft. I'm going back to the og Netscape Navigator 😎

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Me too, but I'm just waiting for this jpeg to finish loading

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Three if you count Webkit/Safari

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't think I can install it on my android phone, so I don't count it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

IIRC the Steam browser also uses WebKit tho

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Me doing my online banking using the Steam browser in Big Picture mode

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Though the engine is still being actively worked on to provide android support https://blogs.igalia.com/jani/bringing-webkit-back-to-android/

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Mozilla Corp's Gecko Engine has allowed several non-corporate flavored browsers into existence, such as various forks on their github or Waterfox.

Then if you dont mind slow speeds you can try Tor Browser.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn't have the Chrome crap in it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn't itself open-source, by the way.

They say of themselves that "for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit". I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.

https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It's still the same rendering engine. There are two browsers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

3 if you count Safari

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is there a mobile Vivaldi counterpart? It doesn't make sense for me that I can't share history with desktop and mobile together

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh I remember now, it doesn't support extensions

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, I use FF mobile for that reason but mostly Vivaldi on desktop

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