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Haha... Until you remember that we get most of our fresh produce from the States we are going to pay for this in the end.
At least it's not just farms in California.
Does this mean we will see unemployment numbers do gown in the coming weeks/months?
I’m not asking with any agenda, I’m just curious if it will end up measured in that way.
I don't think undocumented people are included in labor statistics.
So I don't think this will look bad on paper. No farmers are prepared to pay fair wages to staff so it's most likely good food will sit in fields and rot as the prices rise at the supermarket.
I was talking to a friend there and he told me people in the suburbs are having trouble getting their lawns mowed now. So glad I got out of there.
Funny how no part of the article mentioned hundreds of eager American workers rushing into those farm jobs. Nor the farmers/ranchers deciding they'd have to raise their prices and their pay rates.
That's probably because markets aren't going to pay more for the crops, and nobody wants to work that hard except people with no other options.
It's the same thing after brexit. I cant find the source anymore. But something like 6000 non-immigrants signed up for farm work and only like ten showed up. And none stayed longer than two days. So it's not like they didn't have a recent example of how this would turn out.
This is not a problem for big ag. That's why no regional or national ag-orgs are complaining. This is not a face eating leopard moment, sadly.
Campaneros still need to work. The pattern at the moment is they stay away for a few days after a raid, but then return. This benefits their bosses. Previously there were work stoppages to pressure bosses to raise the $/piece rate. Not now.
Plus the regime has promised to replace the workers lost to their ethnic cleansing campaign with an expanded H2a visa program - after having stripped away many of the already meager protections against wage theft.
The plantation lords know they're getting cheaper, more exploitable labor.
The funny thing is that with Trump sabotaging the US dollar migrant labor may just stop being a thing on it's own.
This is the ultimate Texan dog-that-caught-the-car moment. I remember talking about this in school in Texas 25 years ago when Republicans were complaining about immigration. Several students brought up that the farms are all tended by "seasonal workers," which meant immigrant labor, so what was the Republican answer to that? They didn't have one, of course, not a realistic one. It was the same talking points then as now of "American workers" filling the gap, and even then those jobs didn't pay a living wage, so no American would take them. I bet they pay worse now.
They had 25 years to figure this out, but of course they had no intention of figuring it out.
They didn’t have one, of course, not a realistic one.
When I try to have discussions around this I often take elements of their language and point out that market forces make it unattractive for citizens to work there, but it can be good for immigrants. Sometimes they get it, but often too indoctrinated into the republican party to act differently.
They're gonna arrest the immigrant farm workers and then lease them right back to the same farms as slaves.
There it is. This is how the money flows. Private prison labor.
a corporation that cannot pay labor what it requires (ie the market) should choose: shut down or shut down. profit is stolen wage, too. So… yeah.
Remember kids: corporations are not people. Unlike babies, corporations can be thrown out with the bath water.
Pay labor a living wage or get fucked.
Done. Your salad is now $74.99
Sounds like capitalism has failed then at that point. Seize the means brother.
Cows eat salad....here's your $3900.99 double McChicken, 1/4 pounder delight with bacon bits sir! It's served over a Mexican cheese platen...oh don't eat the platen! That's just to keep the moisture in!
if that’s what means labor gets a living wage (which also assumes I get one), and the corporation makes no profit and the workers own the means of production- cool!
But where did the workers go?
The Texas farmers....."How can Biden do this to us?"
Thanks Obama.
Have the day you voted for, Texas.
Ironic that about 40% of them didn't vote, so I sincerely hope those 40% are getting rat fucked like the rest of us who voted for sanity are.
Farmers will never learn, those people are the only ones willing to do the work. White kids have been raised that that work is beneath them
Disagree. There are plenty of people who would do the work, they're just not willing to do it for the amount farmers are willing to pay.
Also, you'd have to be insane to do outside work in both Florida and Texas, now that both states have got rid of mandated water breaks for outdoor workers.
Not to mention going there. Except for people desperate for work, who in their right mind would travel to magastan out in the country m, to shave away with no water or bathroom breaks, in the hot sun all day without even water for minimum wage? There are just so many reasons for an immediate no
Nice try, racist. Stop splitting the working class up like that. Labor should be paid a living wage and any corp what cannot do that should fail. Race of the worker is irrelevant.
Capitalists have you convinced it is different between races but only because that distraction keeps capitalists exploiting the working class folk.
Ain’t no war but class war.
That yes, but also more.
One positive aspect of social media is showing the young how the world really works, to an extent I think.
Poor immigrants are generally in a more uninformed and desperate survival situation. Many probably aren't of the mindset "fuck slaving away 14hrs a day for shit pay to make a billionaire richer". They just generally don't think that way yet.
I personally would rather die than be forced to work in those conditions. I sympathize with them and wish they didn't have to either. But they're still currently the ones more desperate and willing to suffer.
I would be willing to help with farm work however, if the pay was significantly better, 4-6hrs per day, 2-3 days per week. But normalizing this would necessitate eradicating billionaires and even hundred millionaires. Obviously not gonna happen.
I'm just sayin' it's more than just white kids are lazy. At least I hope so.
It isn't beneath me. I just don't think I could physically do it as a job. Also, the pay is bad. So, it's pretty low on my job list. I'd rather work a fast food job. And I never want to work one again.
Not good lay plus that job sucks, it's beneath you.
I feel like the not being able to physically do it matters a bit more, but maybe you're right. I don't look down on people that do those jobs, because it's something that needs to get done, just like teachers, but they aren't jobs I'd recommend for anyone.
I feel like the not being able to physically do it matters a bit more,
This is what slavers said, too.
Isn't it kind of ableist to assume that when somebody says they are "not able to physically do" a job, that they're lazy or classist? For all we know, they could have mobility issues or be unable to do sustained manual labor.
Sorry, my mouth is already full from what I actually said.
Very predictable result of criminalizing the people who do the work.