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Unpopular opinion here; but there's no way an impeachment would succeed and a failed impeachment strengthens Trump's position with his base.
Everything Trump does strengthen his position with his base.
He could probably eat dog poo on live television and his base would cheer him for a dumb reason.
I'm not saying chill out about the attack, I'm saying chill out about the impeachment vote. It was a failure from the start. Democrats aren't fascist for voting against it. The only real effect of voting against it is that it saved us two months of republican's soundbites about how "trump derangement syndrome is so bad it's making them want to take away the ability to defend America" and shit like that.
And now they are using that free time to legislate the "big beautiful bill" and further Project 2025.
Republicans pushed forward a bullshit impeachment for Biden because he wasn't brutal enough to immigrants. Impeaching trump for actual impeachable conduct should be the norm, even if it fails every time. We need these people on record saying they support all this unitary executive shit, because we can throw it in their faces when they bitch about the next Dem president expanding healthcare, and it eats up time that Congress would spend furthering the far-right agenda.
There are probably a dozen things they could (and should) impeach Trump for. This isn't actually one of them. Presidents are authorized to do air strikes.
The left is usually not as ignorant of the facts as the right, but this is one of those cases where the left is ignoring the facts. The President has authorization from Congress to do limited military action. Should all of the Presidents before been impeached for doing similar one-off air strikes? Seems you want to impeach Trump based on dumb memes about this being the start of WWIII rather it being an air strike.
Did Obama get impeached for sending a SEAL Team into Pakistan without getting authorization from congress?
Also Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program. The civilian reactor is supplied Uranium from Russia that's already enriched to around 5% which is what you use for civilian energy generation. Iran had Uranium enriched to 60% which isn't useful for civilian reactors and none of the Uranium enriched in Iran is used in their one civilian nuclear reactor. The UN has reported that Iran is keeping secrets from them and there's been an increase in their Uranium enrichment, which again is entirely a weapons program, the uranium for civilian use comes from Russia.
So congratulations, instead of impeaching Trump for doing all of the corruption, or for deploying Marines on US soil without authorization, or for falsely declaring everything an emergency so he can do stupid tariff stuff, you've created a narrative that the left tried to impeach him for protecting Americans from the "Death to America" country's nuclear weapons. I guess the left is fine with the corruption and deploying the military within the US, but only take action to come to the defense of the Ayatollah's nuclear weapons program.
The left only seems to want to attack Trump when they have non-existent chance of winning or even convincing anyone of their position. On issues where the left has a strong case, they do nothing.
Despicable. The Democrats are a shell of what they used to be. How fucking pathetic, but also expected.
Time to vote 'em out, folks! Eyes on 2026 & 2028, if we make it that far!
AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.
She's certainly testing them and shining the light on them for who they are - rotten to the core.
Isn't it WFD? Worker families party?
I'm sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya'll need to chill out. President's generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can't think of one in my lifetime that didn't bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.
This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it's Congress' job to declare war. That's the entirety of the complaint. It's short. And it's lazy. He didn't declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn't declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn't actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.
All this 'democrats are traitors' or 'they're supporting fascism' or 'stabbing us in the back' is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don't see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it's deep and nuanced, it's something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it's something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.
We're not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I'm getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.
Doing a drone strike to kill specific people not officially part of a government is vastly different than destroying infrastructure that is still controlled by a country's government.
And then calling it a war on Iranian nukes.
I feel like that is so intentionally provocative it has to be worth mentioning. Like if Japan said they were at war with Pearl Harbor not America.
I don't get it. What's there to chill out about? Is it fine to bomb another country just because war wasn't officially declared?
It's not "fine", but it's also not him acting outside his authority. Fuck, who was the last president that didn't bomb anywhere without Congress declaring war? Who was the last president to even get Congressional approval before all bombings? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't in the last 25 years.
"Trump does thing that other presidents, both Democrat and Republican have done without issue in the past" is poor grounds for an impeachment.
are you now on purpose misrepresenting this???
He said impeachment doesn't make sense because he didn't do what they're accusing him of, and what he actually did is something pretty much every president has done in the past century, and is apparently allowed.
Doesn't mean him doing it is morally right, or that he should do it or... Just that this impeachment is just a silly show that will achieve nothing except making everyone taking it seriously look like an idiot...
Crazy, ain't it? Lemming really isn't a bad descriptor for a lot the folks on here. Their brains have fallen out just like the MAGAts.
Trump should already be in prison for all kinds of shit. That being said, this is obviously political grandstanding and not the hill to die on. It doesn't matter as it is a non-starter and distracts from the real issues.
However, gotta get that two minutes hate in. Don't think, just scream. Don't be effective in dealing with the far right, just be angry.
In what world not bombing someone directly is not a declaration of war? So just about anyone can go around and blow shit up anywhere and even they are asked about it the answer should be a clear “yes, it was me” and an oopsie and all is forgiven? “It was all in good fun ol’ chap!”.
The guy is even delusional about how his actions ended a 30 year war, but when Iran will start blowing people up and saying “sure, it was us”, they will for sure also go “we are in a war, aren’t we?”.
It’s ok, Trump can just continue jerking himself off in Mar-a-lago and imagine himself as a great leader respected by everyone.
Why don't you google it?
Declaration of war seems to have a specific meaning, and doing a bombing doesn't seem to be part of it.
and all the rest of your post just doesn't make any sense. It's not because you didn't officially declare war, that the other party can't retaliate, can't declare war on you can't.... It's just... an attack can cause a war, but isn't a declaration of war, those are two separate things.
I understand the technicality or a declaration of war versul beginning of hostilities. By that judgement Russia didn’t declare a war on Ukraine, yet here we are.
In modern times the above definitions are somewhat intertwined. You don’t have to declare war officially by following law and order, but it’s inferred from your actions.
Either way, both Putin and his muppet Trump are assholes.
Indeed, Russia still calls it a "special operation" if i'm not mistaken. The rest of the world obviously deems it a war.
If we don't agree with this, we should push for the law to be changed, but so far it seems he's within his rights to call such a strike, and democrats not willing to waste their time on this is then reasonable.
That's all this is about. Not justifying his actions, not saying it isn't war, not saying it shouldn't be different. Just stating the facts, what they mean, and thus why the actions of these democrats sadly does seem to make sense...
Funny how when America got bombed it was perceived as a clear declaration of war... Those double standards my guy
yeah, but america and americans are way more important than some dirty foreigners.
How could you say that without invoking "shit hole countries"?
Sharpen up
It can indeed be taken as a declaration of war by the other party, but if it isn't officially one according to the American law, then that's it... This appears to be within the powers of the president, and that's all this post is about...
Does it completely suck that he can do this? obviously. But this impeachment seems silly, so why make a fool of yourself and go through with it when it just has 0 chance of succeeding?
If you're talking about American public opinion having double standards, ok. If you're talking about me, you're putting words in my mouth.
Correct me if I'm reading your post wrong, but you stated that people should chill out about this declaration of war because he didn't actually declare a war, he just casually dropped some bombs. I understand that to mean that people should accept the irrationality because somehow the US doesn't have a system in place to police itself. Curious how that would play out if other countries did the same. Oh no we didn't declare war, it was this fat idiot Hirohito going rogue again, oopsie. Time for peace now, thank you for your attention to this matter.
I completely understand that feeling, and it was my initial reaction too, but honestly, I think they're kind of right.
If you're playing chess and the opponent's knight takes your rook, do you throw your queen at it on principle? Even though it's backed by a pawn? Or do you tighten up your own defenses and wait for the best opportunity to strike?
Don't get me wrong, AOC and Green are the energy we need here. I don't even think it's a bad play for them to make as much noise as possible about Trump's overreach, even if it is repeating the same behavior we've seen for decades. But if 126 Democrats voted against it, how many Republicans actually voted for it? What's the strategic cost of using the inertia that might flip a handful of Republicans on something that doesn't have the numbers yet?
What if we need them for a play down the line? What if we can flip more of them and actually get an impeachment instead of just proposing one on principle because we didn't already exhaust the idea?
I think the people should be pushing for impeachment, and I think Congress should impeach him. But I want that to actually happen. I don't just want it to be a sentiment that doesn't go anywhere.
Curious how that would play out if other countries did the same. Oh no we didn't declare war, it was this fat idiot Hirohito going rogue again, oopsie. Time for peace now, thank you for your attention to this matter.
I mean that's what they are doing in the middle east all the time. They literally attack each other endlessly but aren't technically at war most of the time.
OP is saying that there is a difference between actions that can be interpreted as an act of war and a formal declaration of war. It seems pedantic but I have to agree the difference is there. Iran has no interest declaring war on the US. Luckily there were enough adults making the decision that a retaliatory strike (with advance warning) was enough to call it a day.
The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.
unfortunately, a lot of americans don't have the means to leave :/
Also, good luck even getting a visa in a developed country unless you have a master's degree
What the actual fuck is wrong with these idiots?
I'm sorry I know this impeachment is important to all your emotional needs after feeling bullied and all, but it would be extremely helpful to Trump.
Bear with me please. Here's how impeachment actually works:
See the last two impeachments. There's no way this works well. American democracy sucks, but realize it's a game. You can't win at poker by playing every hand, no matter how much you deserve to win. Impeachment is a 2-7 off suit. Fold it on sight.
It most certainly is a game. It's a game where anything is on the table for making sure the bad guys lose.
I would be more willing to accept that this is a good time to fold if the Dems went for the eyes or throat on other occasions. But they do not.
Fair enough, but this is the opposite of going for the eyes and throat. This is attacking Trump where he's least vulnerable. It's an uphill frontal assault on Trump Castle, armed with a nerf gun. The best you can hope for is a valiant effort.
Better option would be they should stop pretending they have power, and go out there in the media and into communities and yell about how Republicans have too much power, and need it taken away.