There is no safe way to do this - you should find a shelter - even if it's shitty and religious.
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As a form of protest, you could try to trespass into the white house in an obvious way. That would definitely get you jail time and maybe a GoFundMe. I figure if you have a sign, they won't shoot you.
How much money do you need to ensure that this doesn't happen, and how would this equate to long-term security?
Outside of this, have you considered moving to a country with a viable welfare state that takes care of people with disabilities?
I don't know a number, nor would such a thing remain valid long term. I am not capable of full independence. Within a home, I can barely function on my own, but shopping is not possible. In my experience, all of the home delivery food options locally are scams where the store only sends the smallest, oldest, and lowest quality goods available on a shelf. This greatly increases the cost of already inflated comestibles. The variability is untenable for sufficient calories. I mostly eat one meal a day which I make every 8-10 days and eat the leftovers each day. I need a physical therapy routine that involves a bicycle, internet, and a phone to call for help if I get stranded on a bike somehow, which is super rare but happens once every 3-4 years. That is about it. I can't travel at all. I don't bother with a license. I could, but there is no point to the expense relative to my limitations. I'm on a slow decline, and will probably die early.
I'm not just in pain with my posture issues. Things inside my back move out of place and lock up in weird ways. I feel pain and issues in very unnatural ways. The places that I hurt feel like the interior forward side of my spine. It involves lots of little muscles and things that a person does not have conscious awareness of normally. It is almost like I am missing some kind of primary muscle and am using a bunch of smaller muscles to make up the difference. When I try and stay upright, those small muscles begin to fail in a cascading order and I have no backups left. I physically cannot remain sitting upright or standing at that point. I cannot do anything that involves remaining upright. If I stay in my controlled daily routine, I can lay propped up at nearly 45° for extended amounts of time, but any pushing will force me to lay flat to completely disengage the muscles. Even then, I'll often have pain induced contractions and spasms for days to weeks if I push myself to remain upright for too long.
No country takes welfare refugees. Getting a visa involves proving you are not such a person, either through employment or static wealth.
I'm really sorry to hear this.
On your last point, this would largely depend on the country. I say this as someone that has worked with charities that cater to those that are less able, albeit usually with children or young adults that have moved with family. I know first-hand that it is possible - at least to the UK as I had worked on HCI for accessible online resources. Obviously, every case is unique, and it sounds like if you cannot travel this wouldn't work for you. Most countries have specific rules for those with disabilities, and it would ultimately depend on if you're alone or if you have family that can support you. It's complex enough that you'd probably need to speak to a lawyer and not a random software engineer on Lemmy to see what your options are. Hell, if prison is a viable option for you, it may be worth seeing (free) legal advice for your options, or perhaps speaking to whoever your local representative is to see if they can support someone struggling this much.
It sucks to say, but the reason I mentioned an amount is because people set up GoFundMe for things that are less severe than your situation. If you are at a point where you're seriously considering prison as a way to survive, I'm sure the fediverse could rally to help in some way, even if it's just enough to ensure you can afford some more food for the next few months.
::: spoiler Thanks friend. I am not so bad off at the moment. I am unfortunately quite aware of the direction I'm headed. I struggle to avoid thinking about it at this point. I'm deeply motivated to try and make something of myself but after 10 years I empirically know my limitations. That hopeless frustration is quite destructive.
As mentioned elsewhere in comments, this post was primarily intended as therapeutic to help with the depressing news of getting denied disability for the second time in 4 years. I expected the negative outcome and the news itself does not bother me per say, but such negatives tend to compound with the guilt of burdening my family, and social isolation factors. I'm trying to stop a potential spiral before it starts by using the feeling of i increasing awareness of the problem through hyperbolic expression of a logical potential solution I use as a mental mechanism to tell myself that ending things now is not just an acceleration of an inevitable eventuality. From that perspective, your actionable enthusiasm is very helpful to me. Thanks. One day I will likely need you or someone of the like. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I do not invest emotion in such hope after the disappointments life has dealt me. I don't value sympathy like I do actions and understanding. So thanks again, for the attitude that matters most to me.
Outside of this, have you considered moving to a country with a viable welfare state that takes care of people with disabilities?
Ah yes, with all that money, paperwork, and jobs this person probably doesn't have...
Other countries don't want America's destitute.
There isn't enough information in OP's response to say if they are working (but still struggling), or able to move on a young worker's visa. Disabled can mean many things, and either I've missed context somewhere - or you're making some huge assumptions on OP's situation.
They literally say in the title "use prison for food and shelter as opposed to dying homeless in a gutter".
This states, in not unclear terms, that the context here is being disabled and so poor that food and shelter are inaccessible.
Commit a white collar federal crime. Cushy prison conditions.
I'm not sure prison is ever safe, but I'm sorry you're at this point in your life. I hope things get better soon
This is the most dystopian thing I've read in years.I'm so sorry this has to be considered :(
Go to Walmart. Eat whatever you want. Sleep there
If they call the cops on you because of theft or trespassing, there ya go.
Bonus points if you find a way to do this without getting caught and live there a while.
Or start a Tiktok account and a go fund me, and tell your story on TT. Sometimes you can reach the right person near you to do something
If I had the money, I'd pay to watch this. I watch Extra Cheesy Broccoli on YouTube a bit; Steve Wallis isn't homeless, but does a lot of stealth camping in unusual places.
If I had the money, I'd pay to watch this.
Okay, never mind. THAT'S the most dystopian thing I've read all day.
I spend my days scraping dog shit off the floors of grown adult human beings' apartments. There's a lot wrong in the world.
Anything drug related.
If you grow a few mushrooms they can charge you with manufacture and give you like 10 to 20 years.
If you went to sweden and made some enough bad crime, you'd get ss and food and shelter til they figure out how to ship you back.
Ot find a european soulmate to marry!
Head a story of this one dude who as soon as he got out of jail he would go sit in the middle of the road until he got arrested again.
Carry out targeted attacks on the people and institutions that create the situation that you're in. Find other people in a similar situation with little to lose; there is safety in numbers. If people affected by this banded together, the problem would cease to exist.
The myth that you can go to jail and it’s free board and food is exactly that, a myth.
You’ll pay for it one way or another.
It’s peddled by conservatives who think that jail is some kind of walk in the park. Sure there are nicer prisons but it’s still prison. No one really prefers it to being out on the street.
The alternative is worse for me. I can not survive on my own. Debt is irrelevant in death as an alternative.
I’m a little confused. It sounds like your pain and disability issues would be exponentially worse in a prison environment. What little relief you get now would be gone. What little activity you are capable of now would be gone. You would be a vulnerable person locked up with loads of people who are experts at exploiting vulnerability. You aren’t even guaranteed that the elements won’t kill you in there—there are recent cases of prisoners dying from summer heat indoors due to no A/C.
Given your options, I would seriously consider a city that tolerates homelessness over intentionally choosing prison. It will be a hell of a lot easier to dig yourself out of homelessness, if you ever do, than it will be to outrun the reputation that comes from a major conviction.
I think you need to be way more realistic about what your options actually are.
You're thinking in terms if financial and sustainable self sufficiency. In the context of the post, you're implying I should just kill myself, whether you intend it or not. I can not survive on the street. I am unemployable. It takes everything I have just to manage staying alive and I still need someone to help me with shopping.
I get it. I wish I had never regained consciousness that day. There are many days I would like to make that a reality. In this country, that reality is not my choice to make. Without family to support me, I am lost to the murder factory of a disgusting and deplorably evil country. This is what I am spotlighting with this post. A country is its people.
I’m not in any way trying to imply that you should kill yourself. I’m implying that there are dangers with both homelessness and prison, but at least with homelessness, there is the possibility that circumstances will change for the better. Prison guarantees your circumstances for the duration of your sentence, guarantees that the conditions will be punishing, and guarantees a stigma that will make you even more unemployable than you say that you already are.
My only point is that I believe the dangers of prison match or exceed the dangers of homelessness, and you should seriously consider that there are ways to be homeless that are safer and less awful than others.
If you can’t survive on the street, I don’t see why you think you’d make it in prison.
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