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cross-posted from: https://r.nf/post/1771956

Thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

i'm fine with it as long as the privacy labels remain front and centre when downloading; especially if they clearly mark which apps are ad supported, subscription based, etc and don't prioritize them over foss/ad free

otoh, i use neo store so it probably won't matter

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

We need a way to support foundational open source projects like browsers, a open source subscription platform might be the way.

Start off with apps that are already subscription like vpns.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For VPNs, though, you're generally paying through the VPN provider, not through the app store to have access to the app itself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

It wouldn't be too much work for a open source friendly provider to accept subscriptions via f-droid, if they wanted to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 10 months ago (3 children)

pretty sure the venn diagram of f-droid users and adblocking users is such a huge overlap that this may not pay off too well.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If anything this would just give me suggestions on apks of paid apps to sideload for free

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Apparently they don't understand that the F in F-Droid is for FOSS.

I'm 100% all for adding a repository with paid apps, but it's not and shouldn't be marketed as F-Droid.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The F stands for β€œfree” as in β€œfreedom”, not β€œfree beer”.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Paid and FOSS are not mutually exclusive. You can always build packages yourself if you don't want to pay. A well executed implementation might allow some projects to drop or reduce their play store efforts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I will download APKs off a website before I use anything with ads.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That'll be a big nope, thanks.

Edit: 20 years from now, FDroid will be worse than the Play store and we'll have a "new" store that functions like FDroid does currently.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Don't wait, install Droid-ify now.

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[–] [email protected] 156 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Paid apps: no problem. If it's good, I'll pay.

Subscription: maybe, if it's worth it.

Ads: F-Droid can fuck right off. If they do that, they'd be a miserable bunch of sellouts.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, as long as the payment method is FOSS, secure, and works as intended, I have no serious issue with pay-once software being introduced. There are apps from F-Droid I would pay a few dollars to use if required, and I'd be happy if it meant more and higher-quality software.

I feel like the freemium model they mention with subscriptions is just begging for F-Droid to be enshittified. F-Droid would really, really need to prove themselves with pay-once applications first for my liking before moving onto something so much more drastic.

And then ads are just a non-starter. Ads only exist to be psychologically manipulative, they're obnoxious as fuck in the present day, they're a privacy nightmare, and they're a vector for malware. I would see it as a betrayal of what F-Droid does for me, and I would actively see F-Droid as being sellouts who are only marginally better than using Aurora at that point.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

If they were talking about Privacy-Preserving Attribution like Firefox is experimenting with supporting on MDN, that would be one thing, but it doesn't sound like that's what F-Droid is talking about.

Not only are privacy and data protection founding principles for both Mobifree and F-Droid, the use of tracking-based in-app advertising poses a moral dilemma as well. If someone wants to gain access to an app, but does not have the financial means to purchase it, they can use it at a different kind of price - their user data.

F-Droid is also considering ads that contain no tracking, which removes that moral dillema, IMO:

It should be mentioned that it is possible to include in-app advertising without user tracking. However the lead conversion ratio drops dramatically, so the efficacy of this approach is not nearly as high.

That's basically what PPA is, advertising without tracking. If advertisers want to pay for it, then great.

Edit: Downvoting without responding like lemmitor

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No thank you. This is a slippery slope.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If you want devs to make apps without any monetization you're limiting the number of devs that will develop for your platform.

Free only means you only allow passion projects that people work on as a side project or only the developers rich enough to have retired already.

Nobody who is struggling to get by can spend all their time developing a free app that has 0 monetization.

So they monetize on Google Play.

If you care about breaking Google's control of Android you should cheer on another paid marketplace, especially one out of the clutches of Amazon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

F-Droid is literally just a repository. Linux manages it just fine to have repo driven "store" apps.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If you want devs to make apps without any monetization you're limiting the number of devs that will develop for your platform.

So?

The point of fdroid is not to have evil pieces of shit injecting their apps with spyware and ads.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Yep, fuck that noise.

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