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F-Droid exploring to include paid apps, in-apps, subscription, and ads in app (f-droid.org)
submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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cross-posted from: https://r.nf/post/1771956

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

If they were talking about Privacy-Preserving Attribution like Firefox is experimenting with supporting on MDN, that would be one thing, but it doesn't sound like that's what F-Droid is talking about.

Not only are privacy and data protection founding principles for both Mobifree and F-Droid, the use of tracking-based in-app advertising poses a moral dilemma as well. If someone wants to gain access to an app, but does not have the financial means to purchase it, they can use it at a different kind of price - their user data.

F-Droid is also considering ads that contain no tracking, which removes that moral dillema, IMO:

It should be mentioned that it is possible to include in-app advertising without user tracking. However the lead conversion ratio drops dramatically, so the efficacy of this approach is not nearly as high.

That's basically what PPA is, advertising without tracking. If advertisers want to pay for it, then great.

Edit: Downvoting without responding like lemmitor

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

F-Droid is also considering ads that contain no tracking, which removes that moral dillema, IMO:

You assume everybody is okay with ads.

I'm not. My brainspace has been highjacked since I was a little kid by stupid advertisers. To this day, I remember ads for products that have disappeared decades ago and that I never gave a shit about at any point in my life.

Why are advertisers allowed to force their shit into my head?

I hate ads. I'm utterly intolerant of advertising. I hate the tracking and the malware that come with ads, but I hate ads even more. There are no moral ads. The advertisement industry is a despicable leech that needs to die.

If F-Droid springs this shit on me, I swear to god I'm gonna start having murderous thoughts...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

My brainspace has been highjacked since I was a little kid by stupid advertisers. To this day, I remember ads for products that have disappeared decades ago and that I never gave a shit about at any point in my life.

Why are advertisers allowed to force their shit into my head?

I hate ads. I’m utterly intolerant of advertising.

This. So much this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Would you pay a monthly fee for everything? YouTube Facebook Reddit random site you visit. We would need like a found in our browser and every site you visited took there chunk out or something like that. People seem to forget this stuff costs money to run.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

If the service is worth it and subscribing isn't yet another opportunity to put me under surveillance - which is the main reason why, although I consume a lot of YouTube videos and I would genuinely pay Google for the service, I won't - yes.

Hint: Facebook and Reddit aren't worth it. If they want to exit the ad-supported business model and disappear behind a paywall, I won't miss anything in my life.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because ads in Firefox went so well...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

ads in Firefox

That's a common misconception. For users like myself who use uBlock Origin, Firefox supporting PPA changes nothing at all (as pointed out by the Firefox CTO). The only users who would see an ad that uses PPA are users who would otherwise see ads that use tracking.

That is why the EFF supports it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That is just dancing around the issue. The problem is them turning on baked in browser advertising by default.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

No, weeks later you still have fuck all clue about the thing but keep raging about it. 🀦

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Again, it's not advertising, it's a form of privacy protection. There are no ads in Firefox, and they did not add any mechanism for tracking users, so calling it browser advertising is advertising your own technology illiteracy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

How does it benefit me in the least?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The first quote is taken out of context:

Not only are privacy and data protection founding principles for both Mobifree and F-Droid, the use of tracking-based in-app advertising poses a moral dilemma as well. If someone wants to gain access to an app, but does not have the financial means to purchase it, they can use it at a different kind of price - their user data.

For me this reads as them explaining and condemning that dilemma, instead of considering it as an option for F-Droid.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Sorry, I was trying to save space, but I can see how only starting the quote in the middle of the paragraph is misleading. I edited the quote to include the context.

For me this reads as them explaining and condemning that dilemma, instead of considering it as an option for F-Droid.

IMO, it read more like acknowledging concerns around ads but not explicitly condemning it. But I'm not going to form an opinion about it until they do something, or at least make their intentions clearer.