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Names blurred to protect the innocent / crazy. Not trying to call anyone out, just thought the response was hilarious and highly disproportionate. Like, they distinguished that comment (green border/background).

For reference, the comment I presume that was downvoted that apparently triggered that response was to the tune of "BoTH SiDEz!!!!" with some hyper generalizing / stereotyping on the side.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they downvote without commenting because they get banned when they comment?

Idk the instance, but it's pretty funny calling down voting undemocratic when it's the only means of voting on comments and you effective rigged that election lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Its their instance, their rules. Instances should always place their users before guests.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I agree. I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to enforce their own rules. I just said their justification of those rules was stupid. They're allowed to be stupid, it's their instance

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you don’t like it then don’t participate on the instance

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (12 children)

If they don't like it they should defederate. Make it into a proper hugbox

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd love to know, as this individual's instance is one I'd love to block, I don't want to run into them in the wilds of Lemmy if it could be helped. They've got to have a lot of weird takes that I simply don't want to see.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

You would be doing yourself and the instance a favour.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

No need to block, I know exactly who that is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good times were had by all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Humans are omnivores and meat tastes good. No amount of grandstanding or moral outrage will change our minds. Ok soyjack?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Humans dont need to eat meat as you can get your b12 from fortified foods and supplements. You're not entitled to the flesh and secretions of others because of taste buds. Also there is no need for name calling here, we're adults.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You literally just name called. You are a troll and a hypocrite i think your missing more than b12. I am entitled to the flesh of lesser creatures just as other animals are. Your arguments are a joke. It's not wrong for you to chose to not eat meat and animal products, it is wrong to expect everyone to make that choice especially when it flys in the face of our culture and our history. But please keep acting like a soyjack so us carnists have someone to laugh at.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I had a hand in the conversation in the screenshot, so I'm guessing they are salty.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I do think it's unfortunate that votes aren't public to non-instance-owners. That'd be a nice thing to change. I might see if I can find any existing tickets on the topic or whatever.

(Sorry, I know it's weird to make two top-level comments on the same post, but this one's sufficiently unrelated to my other one, I figured it made sense.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean votes aren't public? I see the up vote / down vote on this comment in fact.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Everyone can see the count of both upvotes and downvotes. But instance owners can also see the usernames of who upvoted and who downvoted a given post/comment. (Probably also the list of all posts/comments a given user has upvoted/downvoted, I think?) And not just users on the same instance. Users from other instances too.

I think I've heard that the usernames of users who upvoted/downvoted things are also public info on Kbin. (Not just to instance owners, but also to regular users.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Up/Downvotes usernames are publicly visible via the API to everyone. Kbin shows users this, lemmy does not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Only upvotes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Ah. Ok. I might see if I can track down specifically which endpoint that is at some point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

On stock Kbin, you could see the usernames of whoever downvoted you. But it also only synced downvotes from within its own instance, so you wouldn't see downvotes on your posts if the were from outside instances. I think that may be a server-side setting that Ernest had enabled on Kbin.social, so I think Kbin can be configured for either option.

I believe that technically, the list of users who downvote is public on all instances, but it requires having some means of pulling that data out of the API, as it's usually not displayed in the default web UI.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I've looked around a bit at the API and haven't found it, but I didn't look too exhaustively. I might look again when I get a second.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Talk about reddit brained. Why do downvotes matter to so many people? There is no karma count except for individual comments. You don't know what someone downvotes for so why get worked up over it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

If you don’t like downvotes (like me!) join an instance with disabled downvotes. Simple solution. I don’t know why OOP hasn’t disabled downvotes on their instance.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Because it is a form of downplaying the abuse farm animal face everyday.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Because it buries all the posts on my instance, it makes it so that vegans who are the community and target for my instance gets silenced. Then whenever someone doesn't like what they read they go and downvote every post on my instance depressing all the counts and discouraging participatio. Activitypub downvotes are pure spam.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

The instance can also disable downvotes so that remote downvotes won't matter and be invisible to local users.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

If you want it to be for vegans only then you should defederate tbh

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Now that is an interesting idea. A timeline that ranks only by local votes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, with that, you'd be able to control who can vote on the posts your users see. Very useful for a totalitarian admin.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You can't block an instance, can you? (I mean as a user, not an instance owner.) Except by blocking all communities on said instance, of course.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

You can, at least partially.

If your instance is on 0.19.0 or above, you can block instances at the user level. You won't see posts from any community there, but you will see posts from users there to communities on other instances, and you will still see comments from users on that instance.

It basically works as a "block all communities from this instance".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

You can. I have a couple instances blocked, like that yiff one and the porn one.

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