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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ai is not even truly ai right now, there's no intelligence, it's a statistical model made by training billions of stolen data to spit out the most similar thing to fit the prompt. It can get really creepy because it's very convincing but on closer inspection it has jarring mistakes that trigger uncanny valley shit. Hallucinations is giving it too much credit, maybe when we get AGI in a decade that'll fitting.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah and that is largely fueled by two things; poor/forced use of AI, and anti-AI media sentiment (which is in turn fueled by reactionary/emotional narratives that keep hitting headlines, commonly full of ignorance)

AI can still provide actual value right now and can still improve. No it's not the end-all but it doesn't have to solve humanity's problems to be worth using.

This unfortunate situation is largely a result of the rush to market because that's the world we live in these days. Nobody gives a fuck about completing a product they only care about completing it first, fuck quality that can come later. As a sr software engineer myself I see it all too often in the companies I've worked for. AI was heralded as christ's second coming that will magically do all of this stuff while still in relative infancy, ensuring that an immature product was rushed out the door and applied to everything possible. That's how we got here, and my first statement is where we are now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I keep thinking about how Google has implemented it. It sums up my broader feelings pretty well. They jammed this half-baked "AI" product into the very fucking top of their search results. I can't not see it there - its huge and takes up most of my phone's screen after the search, but I always have to scroll down past it because it is wrong, like, pretty often, or misses important details. Even if it sounds right, because I've had it be wrong before I have to just check the other links anyway. All it has succeed at doing in practice is make me scroll down further before I get to my results (not unlike their ads, I might add). Like, if that's "AI" it's no fucking wonder people avoid it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

At this point I'm pretty sure their strategy is to take the hit in search engine quality since they have a stranglehold there anyway, and spam everyone with AI so they can come out ahead on that front with Human feedback. It's pretty shitty, and the exact reason we would be taking down big tech monopolys.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm actively turned off because they suck up my data to use it.

I love the idea of local only AI and would use those products, and do play with local LLM/Image products.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I find the tech interesting, but the rush to commercialize it was a bad idea. It’s not ready yet, total uncanny valley.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I have rolled back, uninstalled, opted-out, or ripped apart every AI that every company is trying to shove down our throats. I wish I could do the same for search engines, but who uses the internet broadly anymore anyway.

I am impressed by the tech, I think it's amazing, but it's still utterly useless.

I have never, ever needed to interrupt my day's schedule to generate a convincing picture of Luke Skywalker fighting Batman while riding dinosaurs, I have never needed to have a text conversation with someone who seems "almost human," I mean, christ that already describes half the people I know and wish were more normal. I have never needed an article summarized badly, I enjoy reading things, I enjoy writing emails, so I can't figure out why they would make tools to take away the small pleasures we have. What exactly are they thinking?

Yesterday I gave it one more chance, asked one of the apps, I forget which, what tomorrow's weather will be like, the thing forecasted a hurricane coming right for me, a news event from last year. I'm so over AI, please someone notify me when it's really useful and can take over the menial, tedious tasks like managing my online accounts and offering financial advice or can actually help me find a job opening in my field.

All these things have been promised, and seem more out of reach than ever.

The MOST impressive thing I've seen AI do is make really, really convincing furry porn babes. The things are good at mixing features in images. Sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

but it’s still utterly useless.

this is purely false. There are so many applications that bring value and if you can't admit that then you are biased in some way/shape/form.

As a sw dev, I use AI to speed up menial tasks or help me find different perspectives on certain things, shit it's even helpful for debugging tricky things. You don't need to be a coder to find value in AI though, things like auto-generated transcripts has been so fucking amazing, especially for podcasting in my case.

I could go on and on. To say it is UTTERLY USELESS is disingenuous at best.

The MOST impressive thing I’ve seen AI do is make really, really convincing furry porn babes. The things are good at mixing features in images. Sometimes.

You are quite literally telling on yourself here, you seem to have a limited view of AI application and are judging the entire technology/concept based on that narrow set of use-cases (which appear to be, from your comment, chat bots, porn generators, future weather predictors, not exactly the pinnacle of AI application).

I’m so over AI, please someone notify me when it’s really useful and can take over the menial, tedious tasks

Here you go again! You seem to be equating value to the ability for the tech to function without supervision or assistance. Does AI only provide value to you if it can do those things completely autonomously? What if working with the AI is faster than not using it at all? Is it still useless to you?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Literally only exciting use for it ive seen so far is that Skyrim companion. And even that doesn't work right yet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I hate the feeling that they are continuing to dump real humans who can communicate and respond to issues outside of the rigid framework when it comes to support. AI is also only as good as its data and design. It feels like someone built a self driving car, stuck it on a freshly paved and painted highway and decided it was good to go. Then you take it on an old rural road and end up hitting a tree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

they are continuing to dump real humans who can communicate and respond to issues outside of the rigid framework when it comes to support

They have been trying to get humans to operate within their rigid framework, with varying success, for a very long time. One thing they love about "AI" is that they can program it to do exactly what they want and not worry about human emotion risking their bottom line.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Listen up you kids, this old fart saw this same crap in the 70s when LCDs became common and LCD clocks became the norm. They felt that EVERYTHING needed to have an LCD clock stuck in it, lamps, radios, blocks of cheese, etc. A similar thing happened in the internet boom/bust in the late 90s where everyone needed a website, even gas stations. Now AI is the media and business darling so they are trying to stick AI in everything, partly to justify pissing away so much money on it. I can't even do a simple search on FB because it wants to force me to use the damn meta AI instead.

I occasionally use chat gpt to find info on error code handling and coding snippets but I feel like I'm in some sort of "can you phrase it exactly right?" contest. Anything with even the slightest vagueness to it returns useless garbage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm 28, but I remember hating autocomplete suggestions in UIs and I still do. And they are still here.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It seems more like a niche thing that's useful for generating rough drafts or lists of ideas, but the results are hardly useable on their own and still require additional work to finesse them. In alot of ways, it reminds me of my days working on a production line with welding robots. Supposedly these robots could do hundreds/thousands of parts without making a mistake... BUT that was never the case and people always needed to double-check the robot's work (different tech, not "AI", just programmed movements, but similar-ish idea). By default, I just don't trust really anything branded as "AI", it still requires a human to look over what it's done, it's just doing a monotonous task and doing it faster than a person could, but you still can't trust what it gives you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I really fucking hated the android update where holding the power button summons Gemini before actually giving you the shut down menu.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Oh yes I was so confused when trying to restart my phone and holding the power button just summoned the google assistant

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Be me

Early adopter of LLMs ever since a random tryout of Replika blew my mind and I set out to figure what the hell was generating its responses

Learn to fine-tune GPT-2 models and have a blast running 30+ subreddit parody bots on r/SubSimGPT2Interactive, including some that generate weird surreal imagery from post titles using VQGAN+CLIP

Have nagging concerns about the industry that produced these toys, start following Timnit Gebru

Begin to sense that something is going wrong when DALLE-2 comes out, clearly targeted at eliminating creative jobs in the bland corporate illustration market. Later, become more disturbed by Stable Diffusion making this, and many much worse things, possible, at massive scale

Try to do something about it by developing one of the first "AI Art" detection tools, intended for use by moderators of subreddits where such content is unwelcome. Get all of my accounts banned from Reddit immediately thereafter

Am dismayed by the viral release of ChatGPT, essentially the same thing as DALLE-2 but text

Grudgingly attempt to see what the fuss is about and install Github Copilot in VSCode. Waste hours of my time debugging code suggestions that turn out to be wrong in subtle, hard-to-spot ways. Switch to using Bing Copilot for "how-to" questions because at least it cites sources and lets me click through to the StackExchange post where the human provided the explanation I need. Admit the thing can be moderately useful and not just a fun dadaist shitposting machine. Have major FOMO about never capitalizing on my early adopter status in any money-making way

Get pissed off by Microsoft's plans to shove Copilot into every nook and cranny of Windows and Office; casually turn on the Opympics and get bombarded by ads for Gemini and whatever the fuck it is Meta is selling

Start looking for an alternative to Edge despite it being the best-performing web browser by many metrics, as well as despite my history with "AI" and OK-ish experience with Copilot. Horrified to find that Mozilla and Brave are doing the exact same thing

Install Vivaldi, then realize that the Internet it provides access to is dead and enshittified anyway

Daydream about never touching a computer again despite my livelihood depending on it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

I like the article I read were ww2 german soldiers were being generated by AI as asians, black woman, etc. Glad it doesn't take context into consideration. lol

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The irony is companies are being forced to implement it. Like our board has told us we must have "AI in our product.". It's literally a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

My boss's boss's boss asked for a summary of our roadmap. He read it, and provided his takeaways... 3 of the 4 bullet points were AI-related, and we never once mentioned anything about AI in what we gave him 😑 so I guess we're pivoting?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

This just screams "The CEO read about it on linkedin while taking a dump and now feels it is vital to the company."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It's because automated trading bots trade companies whose names appear in headlines with the word AI upwards.

The stock market is an economic shitpost.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who knew that new technologies that are great for businesses' bottom lines wouldn't also be great for consumer satisfaction.

Say it ain't so.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Initially great for bottom lines. Then consumer dissatisfaction finds a way.

Unless you have legally reinforced monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Too big to fail, babyyyyy...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Send them anthrax spores, then they will fail

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

They'll just announce their latest employee anthrax benefits package.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

Who cares about consumers inject more venture capital funds pls.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)

In your own words, tell me why you're calling today.

My medication is in the wrong dosage.

You need to refill your medication is that right?

No, my medication is in the wrong dosage, it's supposed to be tens and it came as 20s.

You need to change the pharmacy where you're picking up your medication?

I need to speak to a human please.

I understand that you want to speak to an agent, is that right?

Yes.

Chorus, 5x. (Please give me your group number, or dial it in at the keypad. For this letter press that number for that letter press this number. No I'm driving, just connect me with an agent so I can verify over the phone)

I'm sorry, I can't verify your identity please collect all your paperwork and try calling again. Click

Why ever would we be mad?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I went through a McDonald’s drive-thru the other day and had the most insane experience. For the context of this anecdote, I don’t do that often, so, what I experienced was just weird.

While not quite “AI,” the first thing that happened was an automated voice yells at me, “are you ordering using your mobile app today?”

There’s like three menu-speaker boxes, and due to where the car in front of me stopped, I’m like in between the last two. The other speaker begins to yell, “Are you ordering using your mobile app today?”

The person running drive-thru mumbles something about pull around. I do. Pass by the other menu “Are you ordering using your mobile app today?”

Dude walks out with a headset and starts taking orders from each car using a tablet.

I have no idea what is happening. I can’t even see a menu when the guy gets around to me. Turns the tablet around at me.

I realized that I was indeed ordering using the mobile app today.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Developer: Am I out of touch?

No, it's the consumers who are wrong.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

~~Developer~~ Stackholder: Am I pushing the wrong ideas onto the managers?

No, it's the developers who don't know how to implement the features I want.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Absolutely, I was pretty upset when Google added Gemini to their Messages app, then excited when the button (that you can't remove) was removed! Now I've updated Messages again and they brought the button back. Why would you ever need an LLM in a texting app?

Edit: and also Snapchat, Instagram, and any other social media app they're shoveling an AI chat bot into for no reason

Edit 2: AND GOOGLE TELLING ME "Try out Gemini!" EVERY TIME I USE GOOGLE ASSISTANT ON MY PHONE!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'd rather talk to my cat than an AI chat bot

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My cats replies make more consistent sense and I don't need to worry about him plagiarizing something incorrectly.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It's farcical.

When a company introduces something consumers want, we will research and find a way to get it and use it ASAP. Nobody needs to interrupt our workflow to tell us about it. I don't remember getting any in-app notifications for the Gmail select all "feature," but I figured it out pretty damn quickly.

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