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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (6 children)

You could make the argument that if it was solely down to the popular vote, the last Republican president would have been George Bush in 1988.

The only Republican since then to win the popular vote was Bush II for his second term in 2004, but it's arguable that since Gore would have been the incumbent he might not have won that one. Plus there are a lot of hypotheticals like whether 9/11 could have been prevented under Gore, or if it had happened if the response was less aggressive, or if Bush II would have even run again after losing the first time etc. So it's impossible to say but certainly conceivable that Gore would have gone for two terms IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

How we did this

In 2000 and 2016, the winners of the popular vote lost their bids for U.S. president after receiving fewer Electoral College votes than their opponents. To continue tracking how the public views the U.S. system for presidential elections, we surveyed 8,480 U.S. adults from July 10 to 16, 2023.

Everyone who took part in the current survey is a member of Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel (ATP), an online survey panel that is recruited through national, random sampling of residential addresses. This way nearly all U.S. adults have a chance of selection. The survey is weighted to be representative of the U.S. adult population by gender, race, ethnicity, partisan affiliation, education and other categories. Read more about the ATP’s methodology.

Here are the questions used for this analysis, along with responses, and its methodology.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I get that the Electoral College was originally designed to give smaller states an equal say. But, when Los Angeles county has more population than like 10 states combined, things are getting ridiculous.

California has like 67 times the population of Wyoming... yet they each have two senators. And that keeps increasing.

Our government is not a good representation of the populace.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Instead of having a forever constitution that was great and new 200 years ago when the internet and modern transportation and communications didn't exist .... they should regularly overhaul the entire government every hundred years to keep up with the times.

I'm in Canada and they should do the same here.

We can't possibly think that everything we see, think and believe today will be applicable to people living 100, 200 years from now.

We look at 200 year old laws about horses and we laugh at it. 200 years from now, our descendants will laugh at what we're debating today.

The only reason to maintain the status quo is to protect the power and privilege of a few powerful and wealthy people. It never has anything to do with the goodwill of the people.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)
  1. Every fifty years. Jefferson for all his faults thought it should be that frequent.
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[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The number of people was a political compromise between individual rights and States rights, but so was a Senate and House.

The electoral college was primarily designed to enable states to vote despite a communication delay that could take months.

It did great at that, actually. How would California have up to date info on what's going on in Washington when the fastest mode of travel was a horse? It wouldn't.

Instead of voting based on information that's outdated and potentially inaccurate, best to pick some people you trust to vote in your interests, and send them to Washington. Let them get caught up, and vote how they will as your representative.

Then States can sort out their own voting time and method, with no real concern for it being simultaneous or consistent because news travels so slow anyway. The important thing was authorized people would show up by the expected federal voting time, and if that happened, everyone did well enough.

Of course, now they can cast their vote without leaving the state, and coordination is possible, but here we are holding the bag on a lack of accounting for technological progress.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree with your ultimate premise, that technological advances have all but eliminated the need for the Ec. But, my man, the telegraph predates CA as a state.

The EC was also for many reasons, but pertaining to the point were talking about, it was because they were afraid people would just campaign in cities because that would be the most efficient. The EC forces a wider appeal.

But with the ability to reach everyone, everywhere, instantly, this fear that they only campaign in cities is gone.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Also, the electoral college only shifts the focus from cities to major swing states (and even then, cities within those states).

But more importantly, why the fuck should potential campaign strategies affect the strength of my vote?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ah, but is a significant enough amount of that majority located in the lowest population states to make it matter?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

From the article, maybe not:

Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are far more likely than Republicans and Republican leaners to support moving to a popular vote system for presidential elections (82% vs. 47%).

I think the issue is if we get close to enacting this, partisan politicians will flood the channel with anti-popular vote propaganda, because they know every step towards a fairer system harms their chances.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is that a threat? Do we need to have government sponsored people movement into less populated states from left voting cities? Because I'll fucking vote for that.

You can bus all the immigrants you want to cities in blue states, and in equal exchange, we will bus lefty to sparsely populated states to render your votes blue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Carpetbaggers of America, do your civic duty!

[–] [email protected] 160 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (21 children)

Ranked choice.

Fix gerrymandering.

Popular vote.

If you don't want this, you're simply a sore loser. You dont want democracy, you want a boys club.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 months ago (2 children)

want a boys club.

*white, straight, christian, republican, cis, landowning boys club

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

and it would come into effect only when it would guarantee that outcome

And it will never budge above that line. They should have just done it anyways. Most of the votes to decide is better than all of them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They should do it anyway, but limit it to the winner of the popular vote within the states that are part of the pact.

Then there’d be several states that would realize they’d have more influence by contributing their popular votes to the pact than by sending their electors to the College independently (and in any case a candidate would still have to virtually sweep all the non-pact states to win the College without winning the pact).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I think enacting it early would just make it look like a Democratic party alliance. That's roughly who the enacted states are currently and it would dissuade other states who might benefit or believe in the popular vote from joining.

Right now, it's in the abstract interest of Texas to join the Compact, because a popular vote would increase their influence, but if the Compact involved just being forced to vote blue indefinitely without gaining any influence, then it's a bad deal. "Doing what the majority of the people" want is a lot easier a concept to sell than "doing what the majority of blue states want".

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

This is exactly where we should be focusing when this pops up. If PA decided and the pending states go through, that's all you need. Hell, with the pending states, you only need 11 more electoral votes for it to to be enacted.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

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